Rambling the Day Before the NBA Trade Deadline
I paid my $1 to Bill Simmons, so we're going with a ramblings-style series of unattached thoughts.
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A month ago, I wrote that I'd be content if the Bobcats went 7-10 from January 25 through March 3. Right now, approaching the back half of that run, they're 5-5. They can go 2-5 over the next seven and still be cool. You should be cool, too.
Nate Robinson goes to the Celtics. They're going to love Krypto-Nate in Boston. However, from a basketball perspective, I don't expect this move to do too much for them. They're really going to miss House's sharpshooting off the bench, and they're crazy if they think Rasheed Wallace is the answer to that issue.
Speaking of Rasheed, I've been one of his biggest fans since 2004, but he looks incredibly washed up. It's as if he decided that Kendrick Perkins can do all the dirty work, forgetting that what made him such a valuable contributor was his ability to do all that post work and occasionally stretch the D with a long range jumper.
The Cavaliers are going to regret trading for Antawn Jamison or Amare Stoudemire if they do. Now that Richard Jefferson is coming available, that might actually be the better solution. Politically, Jamison or Stoudemire is the correct thing to do, because pairing one of them with Shaquille O'Neal and using Anderson Varejao as the first sub for either is better than leaving things as is. However, even better would be trading Shaq for one of those guys, and even better than that would have been trading Shaq for Caron Butler, Stephen Jackson, or any of the other assorted 2/3 wings that were available. Why? That team is at least even, possibly better, with Zydrunas Ilgauskas out there instead of Shaq, and with Z on the floor, they could throw out a crunch time lineup of Mo, West, Butler, James, and Z, with zero free throw liabilities and zero defensive liabilities. It would have been too good. Instead, they're taking the chance that two out of three of Shaq (free throws), Amar'e (defense), and Jamison (defense) will be able to overcome a glaring crunch time weakness in the playoffs, or that they'll be able to hide said weakness. Good luck.
Saw the movie Valentine's Day with the Official Girlfriend of Rufus on Fire. Instant review: It's the cheap American knockoff version of Love Actually, which is superior in virtually every way. Also, did they even stop to think that maybe they should have released it a week or two ahead of Valentine's Day? Who's going to see that movie two weeks after?
Since I'm paying homage to Simmons with a rambling, I'll mention his Trade Value Column again. For the most part, my values on everyone matches up with his, but I strongly disagree on a couple guys. Stephen Curry is fantastically overrated. The guy is better than I thought he would be right away, but it's way too early to proclaim him better than Brandon Jennings, more valuable than David Lee (contract included), and Kevin Martin. I mean, his ceiling might be close to Kevin Martin's total production. Second, his worst contracts are riddled with guys who are more valuable than he gives them credit for probably because he's discounting defense. Emeka Okafor. Baron Davis. Kirk Hinrich. Those guys don't belong on the worst contracts list alongside the likes of Matt Carroll and DeSagana Diop.
Is anyone else vaguely intrigued by the notion of adding Udonis Haslem? I know he makes silly money ($14 mil next year), but he's the right kind of player the Cats could use. Everywhere I've looked, I don't see what we'd give up to get him. Tyson Chandler? Really?
I have a feeling the Cats will refrain from making a move before the deadline tomorrow. Nothing really makes sense, especially now that the Celtics have grabbed Robinson, taking the Big Baby proposal off the table.
He's been mentioned already, but how many teams are kicking themselves for not robbing the Warriors of Stephen Jackson? I'm guessing at least seven.
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Have to defend Simmons
I think if you asked anyone around the league about Hinrich’s contract they would tell you the same. He’s a solid defensive player with awful offensive numbers this season. He averages a 10-4-5. He shoots 38% on 3’s and 38% from the field (seriously 38% from a point/shooting guard). His assit/turnover ration is under 2 (1.7), He makes $9.5 million this year. You can find the same player for a fraction of the cost (Pietrus, Barnes, Sefalosha, Afflalo). Don’t get me wrong, I love Hinrich. I would love to have him on my team. I really wish he had beat the crap out of Rondo in the playoffs last year. But his contract is awful.
Baron Davis can’t be counted on for anything. Is he going to be in shape? Is he going to play half the games this season? Is he just going to jack up 3’s today? His talent is worthy of his contract, but the execution?
Okafor is a better deal than those guys, but his contract has too much time left on it.
As for Jennings/Curry, Curry is the better player right now hands down. Jennings started hot but he’s been below average since. Stephen is getting better and better. That’s not to say that Jennings won’t have a better career, but right now (which is the purpose of the article), it’s Curry all the way.
Absolutely wrong about your Hinrich comparable.
Hinrich’s position is PG. He’s just got the length and offensive versatility to play SG if that’s where his team needs him. None of those other guys have much playmaking ability at all. Given starter’s minutes, Hinrich is going to get you 6+ APG..
As for Davis, you can count on him for 16 and 8 a night. That’s what he’s averaging this year.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 17, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I have to agree w/ drapht00
Hinrich’s is overpaid. Look at it this way. We all balked at the idea of giving Felton similar money to what Kirk is making. Felts and Hinrich have pretty similar career numbers. I think my point is clear.
We must be looking at different sources considering Haslem’s contract. ESPN and http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm both say he’s making 7.1 mil on a contract that expires this year. On the court he makes sense. I hear Charlotte didn’t want to do it because they’d be giving up D.J. and Acie in this deal. For a guy who could be little more than a half season rental (not good for LB’s complicated system) I can’t see this deal working. This deal is especially bad in that Charlotte ends up w/out it’s biggest bargaining chip in the Felton talks this summer and we’d be obliged to pay Felton Kirk Hinrich money just to have a pg on the team. But I guess you don’t see anything wrong with paying Felton “Hinrich” money. ;)
Hinrich is a more efficient offensive player than Felton in every way.
He shoots better from the field and from 3PT, he has a superior A:TO ratio, and he doesn’t jack up a shot (the three) that he just can’t hit.
You are correct about Haslem’s contract, though.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 17, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
The difference in career FG% between Felton and Hinrich is negligible at best.
So is the difference between the two players in A:TO ratio. Kirk’s numbers are slightly higher, but really, you’re talking about tenths of a point. Nothing special.
Hinrich, for this season has averaged 4.1 3 point attempts per 36 min. Hinrich has connected on .359% of his 3 pointers. Felton has averaged 2.2 3 point attempts per 36 minutes. Felton has connected on .396% of his 3 pointers. In past seasons you can say that Hinrich was a better 3 point shooter, but Felton has stopped jacking up needless 3 pointers. He’s improved his efficiency with better shot selection.
You have no real arguments that Hinrich is a more efficient offensive player. You may want to believe that, but a reasonable analysis of the numbers just don’t show that.
Any metric you look at is going to rate Felton ahead of Hinrich in efficiency this season.
And arguably the past two seasons. In 2007 Hinrich was far and away the better and more efficient player. That’s no longer true, however.
You could argue that with a move back to the PG position full time (which he played in 2007), his efficiency would increase, but that’s a tenuous position at best.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
No longer true?
Yeah, it’s probably true that Felton is able to play better as a starter for the Bobcats than Hinrich can as a backup for the Bulls. That comparison, however, is pretty irrelevant as to their comparative abilities.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yea statistics mean nothing unless that happen to be proving your point at the time
If they ever suggest something that you CHOOSE not to believe then they are worthless.
Huh?
Statistics measure production (which you were talking about), not ability.
I merely pointed out that no metric will support your assertion that Hinrich is playing more efficiently than Felton this season.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 18, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't say he was "playing more efficiently."
I said he was a more efficient player.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
Right, but you're using FG% and A/TO ratio to make your point, which means you are, in fact, saying he's playing more efficiently.
Stats measure production, not ability, as I said, so by using the measures of Hinrich’s production vs. Felton’s, you’re commenting on how they’re currently playing (or have played over the course of their careers). You can extrapolate from that on how their stats may or may not reflect their true talent level, but, until you do so, you’re talking strictly about production.
And if you’re talking about this season, then you’d be wrong on every count, except for A/TO ratio.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 18, 2010 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'm talking about their careers.
And on both counts, Hinrich has proven he can perform at a more efficient level than Felton ever has (or is), and is also, in my mind, a more efficient player.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not using stats to "make" my point...
I’m using them to supplement it.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Couple of points
We had the option to add Haslem but declined (see my fanshot).
I agree with you though David, I think Simmons is being harsh on Hinrich. His numbers went in the toilet right around the same time Derrick Rose got drafted. The Bulls never expected to end up with the number one, but ultimately it came down to Beasley v. Rose for that pick at they had already invested a lot of picks in the front court.
I think that same 16 and 6 player is there from 06-07 but the Bulls have been using him in poor ways. He’s a pass first point guard… he always was until the Bulls decided they wanted to turn him into a combo guard.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 17, 2010 7:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
HAHA!
The irony of blaming a guy’s dip in performance on turning him into a combo guard. Do we make the same excuses for Hinrich that we criticize people of making for Felton?
They are ultimately very similar players. Basic stats and more sophisticated stats show this to be true.
One of the primary reasons Felton’s progression was stunted was Bickerstaff trying to make him a combo guard. Only now under Brown is he starting to unlearn bad habits.
This is one of the things that scared me about trying to play Augustin at the two as much as we did his rookie season.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 17, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
I can agree w/ you on that
I just assumed from your past status as a Felton critic that you held the party line of “Felton is a bad player simply because he is and no amount of explanation can change that.”
Still, Hinrich doesn’t deserve to make anymore money than Felts.
My only criticism of Felton is that he too often shot early in the shot clock and didn’t let plays develop. It looks like coach Brown has been working on those bad habits a lot and now he’s buying into the system.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 17, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
This may be short-sighted
But D.J. looked a lot better at the 2 last season (even when he started) than he does as a second string pg this season.
Learning to be a Larry Brown PG and play ‘the right way’ takes time.
Ultimately though he makes players better if they listen to him.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 17, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Like Boris Diaw and Tyson Chandler, huh?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 17, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Neither Boris nor Tyson are PGs.
Larry Brown has a history of mentoring point guards because, well, he was a point guard.
All Boris is doing is proving that 2008-09 was the exception, rather than the rule. His stats this season are right in line with his career averages.
As for Chandler… I think (most) of us knew what was going to happen there. I’ll still be damned if that was a basketball move and not a money one.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 17, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Both are, however "players."
That’s the word you used.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 17, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Lets not turn this into a semantics argument by just settling to substitute ‘point guards’ for ‘players’ in my previous post
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by James The Aussie on Feb 17, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
You could have done that by saying what you now claim you meant in the first place.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 17, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
or, you could take me at my word that my intention was something different than what I wrote and my original post was tantamount to a typo.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 17, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm...
Maybe because he got to play with the starters instead of our garbage backups this season?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 17, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
That argument holds no water
D.J. has played alongside Wallace, Jax, and Diaw plenty this year.
The 1st 10 or so games of the season when Vlade, Ajinca, etc. were getting burn this argument made sense, but now it’s worthless. You need to update your references friend.
Nope.
The vast majority of Augustin’s minutes have included Flip Murray as his off-guard. Murray is awful. He has also had to play with Diaw as his center for the majority of his minutes. Boris Diaw can’t do anything on offense in the post as a PF, much less a center.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 17, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yet D.J. still plays the majority of his minutes alongside Wallace and Jax
Diaw plays as a nominal center, his game doesn’t really change though. Murray also has a solid offensive game.
D.J. is the player that he is. And he’s playing alongside Charlotte’s core rotation players, not garbage.
Murray's "solid offensive game" has led to below .350 FG% for most of his career.
Tell me how that’s solid, exactly.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 17, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure where you're getting that number from.
Murray’s career FG% is 41.5, and he’s never been below 40% (except for a 62 minute rookie season, an injury plagued 2004, and this season, oddly enough).
As for DJ’s floormates, he’s played 908.28 minutes this season. Of the five notable units (25+ minutes played), his most common unit is Flip, Jax, Wallace and Diaw, followed by Jax, Wallace, Diaw and Nazr. Clocking in at third is Flip, Jax, Wallace and Diop, fourth is Felton, Jax, Wallace and Diaw, and fifth is Flip, Wallace, Diaw and Diop.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
So how often has Felton been playing with Murray and Diop?
Nowhere close to as much. Thanks for playing.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
The fact remains
D.J. has spent the majority of his minutes playing against the other teams second string and alongside 3 starters.
You argument that D.J. has struggled because of his teammates has no factual basis.
Thanks for playing.
I see your "angle" is ignoring logic and normal modes of conversation (like when you ask a question, you let the person answer it), and that's cool.
Just don’t expect it to get you too far.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 18, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
But, since I'm nice, I'm going to answer your question anyway.
Felton has played 1666.08 minutes so far this season. He has 9 units of 25+ minutes, for a total of 1111.6 minutes. Of those 1111.6 minutes, 308.76 have been played with either Flip or Diop, for a percentage of 27.7. Also, oddly enough, two of the three units that have produced a positive Adj +/- have either Flip or Diop in them (the other has Raja Bell, no longer with the team, of course).
By comparison, DJ has played 62% of his “measurable” minuets with either Flip or Diop, and both of the units to put up a positive Adj +/- has either Flip or Diop in it (and one has both, actually). DJ’s most effective unit according to Adj +/-, posting a 33.26, is the one with both Flip and Diop in it, and is actually the most effective unit the Bobcats have run out this season.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 18, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
*minutes
And I don’t believe Adj +/- to be an end-all metric, and there are definitely issues with it, but it’s interesting to look at. Draw what conclusions you will from the data.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 18, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, nothing but D league scrubs on that list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s not D.J.’s fault he sucks
No, we didn't.
Felton was forced to be a combo guard because he can’t distribute like Hinrich can. Hinrich proved he could, then was supplanted by a younger player in whom more had been invested. Hmm…I guess kind of the same way Brevin Knight was.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 17, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Evidence that Felton can't distribute like Hinrich?
They have virtually the same assist numbers per 36 minutes. You can make all the ridiculous claims you want, but some of us actually look at the facts.
Looks like Jamison is with the Cavs, and they didn't even give up J.J. to get him.
I can’t see how this isn’t a good thing for the Cavs. If the biggest hole in their line up is now one player’s free throw shooting, then I’d say they’re pretty set.
Cavs and Mavs in the finals is my new vote
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by James The Aussie on Feb 17, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wow just an interesting update I saw right now
Andray Blatche has 21 points and 10 rebounds on 9-15 shooting. Just fyi
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Feb 17, 2010 8:11 PM EST reply actions
Given the recent deals from the Wiz I have to believe that Blatche is no longer a trade option.
Not for D.J. anyway.
Just sayin'. I probably would have made that trade
Especially if we resigned Raymond
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Feb 17, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
The way he's playing tonight I can see why
He’s everything we want out of Ajinca but he’s actually producing.
He's a great player.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 17, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Is this sarcasm? Sorry, I'm not great at detecting sarcasm in comments, unless it's really blatant
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Feb 17, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
I mean I like Blatche too. I would have been a fan of that trade had it gone down
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Feb 17, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I would be ambivalent about bringing Blatche in
He’s definitely got the talent, but I’m just not convinced he’s going to be a consistent player. Plus losing D.J. really puts us in a tough position this summer.
uh oh Nazr missed practice today
he says he’s better but I hope he stays healthy
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/1254514.html
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Feb 17, 2010 8:39 PM EST reply actions
On the Wizards
Curious how Arenas gets suspended and now they’re willing to salt the earth after assuming they were set.
Maybe it’s the conspiracy theorist in me, but I bet you see the Wizards and union duke it out over their desire to void Arenas contract. They’re clearly wanting to become players in FA.
My super early estimations:
- Lebron stays in CLE
- D-Wade goes to Chi town
- Bosh goes to Washington
- A’mare and Joe Johnson reunite in NY as the consolation prizes.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 17, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions
thourghly disappointed
in our lack of desire to make this team better, NOW. rough week for the cats.
"Smokey this isn't 'Nam this is bowling. There are rules!"
I just don't get it...
I figured that by today something would be announced
Like T Thomas and Salmons for Diaw, Law, and a future #1 pick
by andrewlail76 on Feb 17, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
They are trying to get Amare Stoudamire per ESPN… the talks aren’t going very far as we don’t have expiring contracts but it proves they’re looking to make a move.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 17, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Moves were there to be made.
Disappointing that Charlotte hasn’t been in on any (as of yet).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
If we got Amare...
It would be great…except, would he sign with us next year…and if so, for how much
by andrewlail76 on Feb 18, 2010 7:03 AM EST up reply actions
It WOULD be great.
But I don’t see Amare resigning with us. But it would be great for the 20 some odd games we had him for. I love the idea of it. I just wish there was some sort of guarantee that he would resign.
i don't even want to attempt to think that's true.
i’m not one to mope about my team, but i am very depressed about the bobcats right now. i know. i know. we’re still in the playoff hunt, and i have the utmost confidence we will make the playoffs. I just felt like we had a REALLY good opportunity to make a move to get a solid 4. Ty Thomas, Al Harrington, Antwan Jamison. We still have a shot at signing Drew Gooden when his contract gets bought out, but I don’t think we will. i’m loyal to the end. i’ll never switch teams, but this past few weeks has been rough.
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I don't think we had realistic deals for any of those players
We just don’t have big expiring contracts to send out and we really don’t need to send out any of our core players either. The other teams have to get something out of the deals.
Officially shutting off the asshole signal
Procton, You’ve spread enough team hatred and funky math for one night. You’ve done your super hero duties.
You can now return to your day job. We’ll see you in 3 months when Charlotte eventually loses in the playoffs so you can tell us all how it was a worthless experience. Until then, we’ll miss you buddy.
You know
I was thinking the same thing…
I’ve had a great time on here for the past several months. I’ve read insightful and entertaining banter from all of the RoF fans and this has been a fun place to be. Since the return of our Procton…I find myself less eager to even log on. I am a Bobcats fan, and I love talking to other Bobcats fans, and I even like coming up with some outrageous trade scenarios, but now that Procton is back, I seriously doubt that I’ll say much on here for a while. It is one think to post an opinion, but another to come on an otherwise positive board and twist EVERYONE’S point of view around to fit his argument. Love the board, but hate that Mr. Negative found his way back here.
Much like the Bobcats home win streak, it was good while it lasted.
So again…Welcome back Procton. Welcome back to creating senseless arguments among fans who have been having “FUN” on this board for the past several months. Thank you for your insightful twisting of individuals comments. Thanks for taking what has been an entertaining board for months now and turning it back into a courtroom where every comment is cross examined and your .02 is the only truth there is.
by andrewlail76 on Feb 18, 2010 7:09 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
As my only other past says: long time lurker, 2nd time posting.
This was a blog I checked every few days when it was dominated by Procton’s acerbic posts and constant negativity. He can make terrific points and analysis, but is often flat out rude and douchey.
Procton’s hiatus made RoF much more appealing and became one of the first sites I checked in my website cycle. RoF became the community it wanted to be.
Most trolls make a few posts and leave. Procton accounted for more posts than the next 4 most prolific users combined. He affects the entire identity of the site.
Unless Procton learns a little civility to match intellect (sic), I don’t see why he should be tolerated. Let him engage in establishing his mental prowess elsewhere.
Not my job to make friends, chief.
Unlike many others, I actually stay within the bounds of the ToS for this site. If your feelings are hurt because I don’t approve of people just being wrong, feel free to go elsewhere.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
As I said
You can make terrific point and analysis, but you are often quite rude; unnecessarily so. From what I’ve read over the past year, this affects the entire board negatively.
My or other members of RoF asking you to be more civil likely won’t work, almost 2000 posts as a track record is a pretty good metric.
This community is allowed to regulate itself, as stated in the SB Nation Welcome Guide, so even though you don’t break the ToS explicitly, this community has every right to say, “enough.”
You like telling others their analysis is wrong, I have no issue with that. I’m telling you to adjust your tone to be more civil, as your behavior is wrong in my opinion.
Act like you have been on some other board, but not on this one, not the year the Bobcats make the playoffs and expand their fan base ten fold.
This PORTENDS good things for the future!
Please read the thread on the Bobs’ most recent loss to NJ to find out why that statement may or may not be funny.
OK, bro...
Stay away all you want. Certainly your prerogative.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Michael. Generally, I stay out of this sort of thing, because, as pointed out above, these sites tend to be self-regulating, and I value a wide spectrum of ideas, even over civility. But civility has its place.
2 – We expect you to remember that there are real, live, breathing people from all walks of life who will read whatever you post. That doesn’t mean you have to make nice with everyone-because we’re going to disagree and passionate people generally don’t back down from arguments—but it does mean that you will be sensitive to others’ sensibilities when expressing yourself.
Posting "thanks for playing" is rude and uncivil. Picking fights with other people on minor aspects of their larger points is rude and uncivil. Believe me when I say this: there are forums for attempting to crush your intellectual opposition, and this is not the place. Learn to let it go without comment before you reach that point in an argument when you’re just splitting hairs to try to eke out "victory".
by David A. Arnott on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
My posts have nothing to do with "victory."
I’m simply pointing out my observations of this basketball team, as I thought was the point of the site. Why exactly have you chosen to lecture me when I’m personally attacked on a daily basis. Does SBN demand you ignore your own ToS for the sake of expanding the site’s posting base? If that’s the case, I guess I’d just prefer you come out and admit it.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe you telling other people to quote "suck my cock" has something to do with it
Or maybe it’s the general arrogant tone of every comment that you post.
I like talking a little smack with people. Banter is part of the fun of sports talk. But even the most heated debates on here often end w/ an acknowledgment of mutual respect or at the very least, civil disagreement.
Shouldn’t it tell you something that YOU are the ONLY person that people are complaining about. Lord knows I talk a lot of smack, but do you see people complaining about me? Maybe if you had a sense of humor and actually acknowledged that you get things wrong from time to time you wouldn’t be singled out. We all have pride in out ideas. We all have biases, and we all say something that doesn’t exactly turn out to be right from time to time.
Maybe if you were here to make friends (like most of us) we would all have a better time.
Hey now.
Procton’s the victim here.
If it weren’t for some guy on RoF making nastily worded comments about other peoples’ intelligence, their spelling, their basketball IQ, Procton wouldn’t be having any issues. If only that one poster would stop making comments that lead the community to tell Procton to hush up.
It can’t be Procton’s fault, it must be the community’s fault. We really should just let Procton be Procton, even if it means he’s the only one left posting.
You mean just like that episode of the Simpsons
where Homer was a Stonecutter (free mason) and they all hated him so they all left and started the “No Homer” society? Man that would be harsh! Hilarious episode though.
Who goes to the internet to make friends?
Sheesh, dude, I have friends already. And I get to see them, you know, in real life.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Totally true
No matter what I could possibly say, I’ll be wrong, or disagreed with, or I’ll have a typo and look dumb…
But
I’ve had too much fun on here, pre-All Star break to go away, so I’ll just continue doing my thing, and Mr. M.A. Procton wil continue to do his thing, and we’ll all just continue to read and argue and agree to disagree…like big boys. Regardless of what negativity is back here, we’ll just deal with it. There is enough in this world that we deal with daily…what impact will 1 more person make? Not enough for me to lose sleep. At least I know when I make a comment, I’ll have someone to tell me how dumb it is again. I’ve missed that. Living in a dream world is a dangerous thing.
by andrewlail76 on Feb 18, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Good for you.
Way to be a big kid.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks!
I think you helped make the point we’ve been try to make about how you regard others on this board.
Yeah, I don't need to make friends on the internet.
Got plenty of my own. Sorry your in such need.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
yea
I just went around and read a few posts. Posted a pretty ridiculous rebuttle to his negativity. Which, I’m sure, will be mocked with some pithy rejoinder filled with negativity and intellectual insignificance. There I used a ton of big words in a sentance and I only graduated high school in Iowa. hahaha. Regardless, I’m also less inclined to post anymore. All the rest of you have been awesome! Love talkin about the Bobcats!
"Smokey this isn't 'Nam this is bowling. There are rules!"
oh and for the record
I was wrong about Blatche. I’d be more than happy to have him.
"Smokey this isn't 'Nam this is bowling. There are rules!"
by HAWKEYESBABY on Feb 18, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry your feelings are so sore...
Bye.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
crap...I spelled sentence wrong up there.
waiting for the fear of God to be struck into me
"Smokey this isn't 'Nam this is bowling. There are rules!"
You spelled rebuttal wrong too, for that matter.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Kings' new dynamic?
With Landry in Sacramento, might we be able to pry him or Thompson from the Kings?
Doubt it.
They’re both solid young players who are exceptionally affordable.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
alright
I’m already over all this. You win Procton. No matter what we say. No matter what we do. He will be here. It is his right to be. All our comments do is antagonize him. I apologize for my negatory comments, because all I’m doing is adding to the problem. Continue with non-Bobcats related banter. I would like to talk about the impact of Antwan Jamison on fridays game, and John Salmons impact on saturday nights game. Quite frankly, they both scare me.
"Smokey this isn't 'Nam this is bowling. There are rules!"
As well they should.
They’re both solid players who should help their teams significantly. Particularly in Milwaukee, where Salmons is a guy that—while not a superstar—could be a more than adequate answer at the off-guard in Redd’s stead (how’s that for Dr. Seuss?) If he can coexist with Jennings and get back to his form of last year as a full-time starter and primary offensive option, he’ll be quite a beast to deal with.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
he may very well be
The guy Jennings needs to help him start distributing the ball better. Once he starts getting the hang of being a real PG instead of SCORE SCORE SCORE. He will be very dangerous. Probably the type of guy that makes mediocre role players into a threat at anytime.
"Smokey this isn't 'Nam this is bowling. There are rules!"
by HAWKEYESBABY on Feb 18, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno...
Strikes me that Jennings is what Bill Simmons has called the zero-guard. Demands the ball all the time, but not willing to distribute as anything other than a last resort. Other examples are Arenas, Kevin Martin, Tyreke Evans, and Dwayne Wade.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Can Kobe Bryant be awarded that position too?
If D-Wade is lumped in there he averages 2 more career APG than Bryant
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Feb 18, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Not really.
The triangle allows another guard to do much of the ballhandling. Wade’s been the primary ballhandler since he came in the league.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 18, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions

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