Open Rosterbation Thread - Trade Proposals!
by David A. Arnott on Feb 11, 2010 12:02 PM EST
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There are several Bobcats trades rumored to be in the works, and none of them excite me much*. The prospect of trading D.J. Augustin for a Large Infant power forward on an MLE-type contract saddens me, because it means we're not being cost-effective with our roster moves, but at the same time it intrigues me because if this team is going to contend -- not just go Somewhere, but truly contend for a championship -- we have to take chances on guys panning out into something more than they've shown thus far.
(*Isn't that the hallmark of a fair trade, though? When no party is truly excited and believes they've suckered the other guy?)
So, what would make me excited?
Here's an example of a league-altering trade that would catapult the Bobcats to "Dangerous" status and turn the league on its head.
76ers Get
Tyson Chandler, Boris Diaw, Acie Law, Gerald Henderson, and Stephen Graham
Bobcats Get
There's no way this will happen. We could even throw in Flip and it wouldn't happen, because the fans in Philly would riot. But think about it: Philly could then flip Tyson or Samuel Dalembert (more likely Dalembert) for other assets, or simply sit through those two contracts, instead of sitting through Brand's. Iguodala is tough to give up, but once they decided they could give him up, they're too far out of their minds to make much sense.
The Cats could throw out a starting lineup of Felton, Iguodala, Jackson, Wallace, and Mohammed, bringing Brand off the bench for size, Flip, Augustin, and Brown, completely marginalizing Diop and the other chaff. That lineup would be borderline unguardable. But again, no one's going to convince Philly it's worth their while to dump those contracts for expirings and Gerald Henderson's potential.
What've you got? I'm seeing lots of FanPosts. Bring your proposals here.
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I'm still riding mine to victory:
Bobcats get: Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hinrich, Antwawn Jamison
Bulls get: Tyson Chandler, Acie Law, Flip Murray, Brian Scalabrine
Celtics get: DJ Augustin, Caron Butler
Wizards get: Boris Diaw, John Salmons, Glen Davis
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by James The Aussie on Feb 11, 2010 12:06 PM EST reply actions
Love that trade
It seems too good to be true. I mean Jamison and Tyrus? Wow. And for the most part it makes sense
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Feb 11, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
It works in the trade machine and realGM trade check
Bulls get expiring contracts and rid themselves of two pesky deals.
Celtics get a guy who can fill Ray Allen’s void should they move him
Wizards get younger and get more depth.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 11, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
That Trade Makes No Sense
The Celtics are getting Carol Butler and DJ Augustin for Scalabrine and Glen Davis?
The Bulls are getting Chandler, Law, Flip Murray, and Scalabrine for Tyrus Thomas and Heinrich
And the Wiz are getting raped in this deal giving up both Antawn AND Caron Butler for Diaw, Davis, and Salmons. If anything the Wiz would HAVE to get Tyrus Thomas, Gerald Henderson, and Ajinca along with Draft Picks to even consider it.
Of course it would be great to get Tyrus, Jamison, AND Heinrich but we can’t expect to get those players giving up only Tyson Chandler, Diaw, Augustin, Acie Law, and Flip Murray. It’s just not reasonable.
by LVproduction on Feb 11, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
If we threw Washington a future 1st do you still think it doesn’t happen?
Washington trades a 33 year old PF (Jamison) and a 29 year old SG (Butler) in return for a 28 year old PF (Diaw), a 24 year old PF (Davis) and a 29 year old SG (Salmons)… plus a 1st round pick and shedding $2 million in immediate cap with more down the line.
I think you’re overvaluing Jamison and Butler.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 11, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think if we threw Washington a 1st and then they were able to flip Diaw and Salmons for an expiring contract like Larry Hughes, Marcus Camby, etc AND a 1st then it would be do-able. I don’t think the Wiz are at all interested in taking on contracts since they already have an albatross in Gilbert Arenas’ contract that is untradeable until his situation is resolved.
by LVproduction on Feb 11, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Can't throw in a first
You can’t trade a first round pick 2 years in a row. Our 2010 is already gone, so we can’t trade a 2011 pick until draft day where we would draft a player for someone else, then trade the rights.
Maybe during the offseason
but I would not want to dismantle our roster when we are doing so well.
Your talking about trading 3 of our top 7 players and Chandler would make 4 of the top 8.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Feb 11, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. That is a pretty drastic make over for team playing so well.
In the off-season, if Postolos buys the team and LB jets for Philly, then maybe blow up the roster.
For me personally, i wouldn’t trade any of the starters at this point during the season. I would consider moving Chandler, or DJ, &/or some combination of Law, Flip &/or Graham’s expiring contracts; but only then for the right return – a legitimate PF to start or play 6th man (& whatever else to make it happen).
Can people please propose trades that would actually be likely to occur
Seriously, James the Aussie, that is not going to happen at all. Bulls take on salary with that trade, and the wizards take shed little salary while getting a lot worse.
Here are a few trades that I would like that might happen:
Diaw+(Diop/mohammed) for brand. I don’t think philly would do that at all without trading iguodala to the suns, but if they did Iggy D and Dalembert for stoudemire and throw in, then came back to the ‘cats for diaw and (please take diop and a first round pick) mohammed. Now I think with the play of nazr recently, he isn’t getting traded, period.
Another possibility is if this tyrus thomas for flip, acie, and a first so we get tyrus thomas.
here is a trade that would be a bunch of contract swapping and some first round picks flying:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzxx8dh
it is a combination of a bunch of rumors that would see the bobcats trading flip, boris, acie, and a first round pick for elton brand. I would personally like to see the bobcats not tie up 800 years of salary in elton brand, seeing that we will need a point guard next year, but I would not mind having tyrus thomas on the team
Isn't the entire point of the notion of 'rosterbation' that you can propose whatever you want that works?
I’m just participating in the spirit of this thread.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 11, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Furthermore... you're wrong
The Bulls don’t take on salary, they shed it.
Law, Murray and Scalabrine are all expiring. They take an $11 million cap hit from Tyson.
They shed $19.65 from trading Hinrich, Thomas and Salmons… netting them an overall $8.65 million cap space.
Obviously the hard sell is Washington, but say Charlotte sends them a future 1st and I think the deal gets done.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 11, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I meant to say boston
I feel like that the trade needs to not only work but also needs to make sense on some level. Washington is getting WAY worse. If you think a future first will do it, then you are highly overvaluing first round picks in the league nowadays.
Boston don't care about salary
They’re so far over the cap into luxury that it’s not an issue to them.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 12, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Philly wouldn't riot.
They’d kiss you in the mouth for taking 42% of their current payroll and two of their three franchise-crippling contracts.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 11, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions
I happen to think Iggy is far from franchise-crippling, which is why I think they’re out of their minds for even discussing him in trades. Brand is a different story.
Can you take over the Sixers, I’ll take over the Cats, and we’ll figure something out? :)
by David A. Arnott on Feb 11, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I love Iggy.
He’s not the kind of leader at the two that can put a team on his back, but he’s reliable. You pair him as a second option and he’ll be a 15 year Scottie Pippen.
Iguodala to Cleveland would be insane.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 11, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Iggy on his own isn't a killer contract,
but when combined with Brand and Dalembert, it forms a grisly three-headed monster of salary cap doom. Iggy on his own is fin;, Dalembert + Iggy is a little tougher but at least Dalembert is a decent player; Brand’s contract is an unholy mess. Three more years @ $16M, $17M and $18M? Ew.
He’s decently above average this season, but is always an injury risk, and is due to fall off a cliff age-wise before that contract runs out anyway. Would be an interesting team for this season, though, for sure.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 11, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure Brand is a bad player so much as he’s in exactly the wrong situation for his skills, plus he’s probably not fully recovered from his injuries. He won’t be worth 18 million anytime soon, but there’s reasonable hope he’ll get back to a level where his contract is bearable, especially if you’ve got a guy like Iguodala who, in my opinion based on a crapload of factors including his crazy good adjusted +/- over the past couple years, is more than worth that contract.
by David A. Arnott on Feb 11, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
David, nothing personal...
but if you made that Sixers deal you proposed happen, I’d punch you in the face. Why do we need an over paid Iggy when we already have Jax and Wallace? Where does he and his big ass contract fit?
Like I said above, Brand’s contract is awful and it only gets worse w/ each year. This deal does nothing for the team’s future or present.
I think Iggy is a championship caliber player. Adding him, at the least, virtually guarantees the playoffs as long as he’s on the roster and has a reasonable supporting cast, and with Wallace and Jax puts us in the Hawks category of "ready to take the next step". If Brand returns to any semblance of form, we’re even closer to that. I wouldn’t have built the team the way they have, but if you want to build a champion from this point on without blowing everything up, you’ve got to go whole hog and not half-ass it. Will there be any other opportunity to get a player as good as Iguodala via trade without giving up any other key parts of the core? I don’t think so.
by David A. Arnott on Feb 11, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're over-valuing Iggy and Brand's contribution.
It does for this year make us better, but not championship better, and it shoots us in the foot for at least the next three years.
The best thing about that deal is that it would give Wallace and Jax more time to rest on the bench. Wallace’s all star numbers would dip as a result, but we’d still have a glut on the wings and only one true power forward. Really, with Iggy on board, I think there’d be even more temptation to move Wallace to the 4. NO GOOD!
Great
Could you imagine tutus Thomas, Elton Brand and Tyson Chandler all wearing suits on the sidelines with MJ, watching the bobcats lose?
by L'O on Feb 11, 2010 3:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This is undeniably the best trade that the 'Cats could reasonably make before the deadline.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5450198
Boston gets DJ Augustin
Charlotte gets Glen Davis & Sheldon Williams
Sure, Charlotte gives up a young talent at PG who could blossom, but we get two big bodies at PF, and one of them has an expiring contract.
For all y'all Graham haters out there!
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5450224
Charlotte gets: Big Baby, The Landlord, & Eddie House
Boston gets: DJ, plus Acie Law & Stephen Graham
Less likely, but more awesome for the ’Cats.
Graham
has no trade value what-so-ever. We have Henderson, Ajinca, and Augustin as low cost value.
by LVproduction on Feb 11, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Celtics aren't giving up House.
He’s their only offensive thread off the bench. Basically, there’s no way the C’s give up three rotation players for that package.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 11, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Or 2 bigs
If they trade Glen Davis AND Shelden Williams for DJ, they’re left with:
SF: Paul Pierce (s) (Tony Allen tries to play here)
PF: Kevin Garnett (s), Brian Scalabrine
C: Kendrick Perkins (s), Rasheed Wallace
‘Sheed refuses to play down low. Scalabrine can’t. Garnett can’t anymore with his knees. They at least need fouls to throw at Dwight Howard, nevermind actual production.
Plus what he said about House.
It's all about how bad do the C's want to get rid of Big Baby & how much do they really want to acquire DJ?
Plus, you do realize that Davis has missed large parts of this season already, and Shelden Williams hasn’t played in a game since January 14. Besides Tony Allen they still have Marquis Daniels & Bill Walker at SF.
Daniels and Walker are both SG, not SF
You’re right on Williams not playing (although I’m pretty sure an injury has been involved), but that period of time is also the time over which they’ve really struggled. I just don’t see them taking a weakness contributing to being awful and making it even weaker for a decent backup PG (which Daniels can play when he gets back). I just don’t see this making sense for them depth wise.
Depends where you look
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3464
Either way, dude’s a scrub. And I said that Tony Allen TRIES to play there, not that he IS a SF. Bill Walker doesn’t try to play anywhere but the end of the bench.
I thought it wa odd that the landlord hasn't played in a month too
I cant find anything about him being injured though.
I can't find anything either
I think I remembered someone mentioning it during the Celtics/Magic game this past Sunday, but I could be wrong. He might just not be playing.
Not that trade, the one above it: DJ for Glen Davis & Sheldon Williams.
But to your point about the C’s not giving up House. Obviously that’s why their interested in DJ, they no that this is probably House’s last year in Boston no matter. His contract is up at the end of the season.
DJ isn't even close to House.
Flip is closer to what House provides, but not as much of a three point shooter.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 11, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Besides three point shooting, House is marginally better than DJ if at all.
What does House do that DJ doesn’t? I think they are basically the same player, just DJ is younger. House’s contract is up after this season, so the C’s are looking for his replacement at the back up point position. Why else would they be interested in DJ?
House has a much quicker release
DJ has a much better all around offensive game. Neither counts as anything more than a body on defense.
The Celtics are a veteran team with well-defined roles.
House’s role is that of instant offense off the bench, ready whenever, however, to provide points in a hurry. DJ might grow into the role of assassin off the bench, but he doesn’t have that mentality right now (Flip does, however), and I doubt the Celtics are willing to experiment at this juncture.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 11, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Brand
He is actually someone that I could see us getting relatively easy. Possibly a Diop, Diaw, Acie Law type deal. Again, matching salaries is the hardest part because at some point you will be giving up value to acquire him and who knows how much he will even be able to contribute?
Bobcats aren't going to trade any of the key players
GW, Jax, Ray, Boris, Nazr, DJ, & Flip are not going anywhere. We are 23 – 16 with these guys over the last 39 games. Unless another team offers an insane deal, we are not going to mess with team chemistry and trade a key player. Yes DJ and Flip are key players coming off the bench.
Lets talk about the spare parts – Chandler, D.Brown, Henderson, Graham, Acie, Diop, and find a way to trade some of these guys for good backup Power Forward. We could throw in draft pick if needed. Note that next year we do not have a first round draft pick.
If it's me, then Henderson, Brown & Ajinca are off limits too.
I would be much more willing to part with Flip & DJ than with the two rookies & Ajinca. In DJ and Flip i think the team knows what they have, and neither of those two players is the “future” so to speak. D Brown, Henderson and Ajinca have a lot more upside going forward.
Eddie House
Why is everyone getting a bone over Eddie House? The Bobcats had him at the start of the 2004 season and waived him after 13 games. He played 23 minutes a game, averaged 11 points, and didn’t provide any other real stats. That was the highest scoring average with any team in his career. House’s career average is 7.6 points a game.
The Bobcats don’t need House. He doesn’t even come close to offering what DJ can offer.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Feb 13, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions
Stoudmire should be a Bobcat
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzuwega
I really believe that the Bobcats should try to get Amare. He has the same energy as the rest of the team which would allow them to feed off each other and make a big push into the playoffs. I would say
Bobcats get:
Stoudimire
2nd rd pick from Phx
Suns get:
Diaw
McGrady
Future 1st from Cha
Houston gets:
Richardson
Diop
Bobcats get the PF with high energy to compliment the rest of the team and make a strong run for the playoffs, The Suns get Diaw back and he can have his old role going along side with Nash and have a salary dump in McGrady to still be able to make a splash in Free Agency next year, and Houston gets a solid scorer to go alongside with Ariza, A solid defender in Diop, and also be able to be a player in Free Agency and draft a solid player in the draft.
I am a little unsure of Stoudemire's defense
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Feb 13, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I too would take Amare over Diaw.
However, I don’t like the idea of getting rid of Diaw and Diop and a future 1st rounder for a 2 month rental.
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by James The Aussie on Feb 14, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest I don’t think that Amare would leave the Bobcats because he would see that they would be set to become a true force in the East. Plus I think he likes to play with pressure and as much pressure as he would have coming to Charlotte I believe that he would thrive off of that. Not to mention that whoever owns the team next I don’t think they’ll have a problem doing what it takes to keep him here.
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