Rasheed Wallace to Charlotte Instead?
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 11:29 AM EST
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PrintD.J. Augustin for Glen "Big Baby" Davis has been mentioned as a possible trade, but what about the other PF from Boston?
All around the internet, Bobcats and Celtics fans have been buzzing about the deal reportedly being worked out between the two teams that would send D.J. Augustin to Boston and Glen Davis to Charlotte. It's also being reported that more players would be needed to make a trade work. The best solution I came up with using that criteria would be
Glen Davis, Eddie House and Brian Scalabrine (3 million expiring contract) for
DJ Augustin and DeSagana Diop
That would work well for both teams. Charlotte would get the extra front court depth they've been desperate for all year and another shooting specialist that lacks defense to be able to replace DJ. Plus, the team will be going through an ownership change soon, and I'm sure that an expiring contract could be interesting. Boston would be getting a PG to fill in to help Rajon Rondo and has a bright future, and another long, athletic big, who can defend. How about a better trade though?
What we here in Charlotte should be trying to accomplish this year is something big. The fans are almost ready to embrace the team like we need to. The East is probably as wide open as it'll ever be with Boston looking old, Atlanta being young, and Orlando looking iffy. Cleveland is looking pretty good (but the Bobcats own two victories over than already this year). We should, and don't laugh when I say this, be going for a championship this year before we bring in an owner that probably will make MJ leave, which will in turn, make the great Larry Brown leave. I don't think we do that with Big Baby. We already have a soft PF (Boris Diaw), that's not the problem. We need an attitude adjustment at the PF. The way I see it, we have a PG in Raymond Felton, a SG in Stephen Jackson, and a SF in Gerald Wallace who can be counted on to bring it every night. A healthy Tyson Chandler and Nazr Mohammed are more than sufficient at C, so all we need is an upgrade at the 4 spot.
Boris' sporadic play has been maddening this year, but I think what he brings to the team could be needed in the playoffs (if we make it). So why not bring in a player who can turn Boris into a 6th man type of player where he really flourishes. And we don't have to look to another team. How about Sheed? Here's what could happen and why it would be good, for both teams......................
Augustin and Diop and 1st Rd Pick for Wallace and Eddie House
The Pros for Both Teams
Well, for Charlotte, Augustin is an explosive player who needs the freedom to roam around to reach his potential. Sadly to say, that's not what Larry's game plan is about. His lack of effort on defense has kept him in Larry's doghouse for a while, so, maybe we should move on to help the team this year. I mean, Larry hasn't really made a bad trade yet has he? We would also be getting rid of Diop's contract. The kid shows potential at times, but I'm going to go crazy if I see him shoot one more air ball on a free throw. Meanwhile, it'll be a North Carolina reunion with Rasheed coming home to the Tar Heel State. It'll also mean he's re-uniting with Larry (look at Detroit's championship to see how that turned out). He'll bring an attitude adjustment to the 4 spot that Boris really needs to improve on. He can be great when he wants to, he just gets soft at times. Rasheed would fix that, and improve the team even more. You got to have players with heart if you want to win. That's why we're so much better with Captain Jack. We'd also be getting Eddie House, who lacks defense just like Augustin, but has a killer mentality on the floor.
For Boston, they would be getting ready for the future (something their lack of doing in the past is showing up now) by shedding two players on the latter end of their career, while also picking up two young players who can probably contribute right away. Boston lacks a back up center, and they would be picking that up with Diop. They have a flood of post players (Kevin Garnett, Wallace, Shelden Williams, Davis, Scalabrine), but no one to really come in to play Shaquille O'neal or Dwight Howard when the old guys are wearing down. They also get Augustin, who can be a scorer like Allen Iverson.
Really, I'm hoping we don't have to trade DJ and can probably persuade Boston to take Acie Law instead on the Davis deal. But if we get Rasheed Wallace, I mean, I really think we could have a shot at a title. Although, I'm sure some people would be concerned about pairing Sheed and Captain Jack on the same team. Don't worry, I'm sure Larry can keep them in line.
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Yes!!
Please let this happen! We want sheed! Might even throw in Henderson to sweeten the deal. Since he aint worth a darn thing here with LB. THey can give us a draft pick back or something.
Drafting Henderson was a mistake
It’s amazing how the presence of Ronald Murray and the trade for Stephen Jackson has made the drafting of Gerald Henderson completely irrelevant to the team’s success this year. We wouldn’t be in the position of having to trade for a good post player if we had just drafted Dajuan Blair, who was still on the board. Several teams missed an opportunity to draft a terrific player by missing out on him.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Blair's career will most likely flame out quick
His success this season is not surprising. He had an NBA ready physique and went to an established team with a solid core and HOF coach.
Blair’s knees will not let him have a long career. As a second round draft pick he is a bargain for a playoff caliber team. As a 1st rounder to a team trying to develop, he would have cost way too much to take a risk on.
Not Too Much
I think if you look at how the lottery pans out, once you’re out the top 8 or 9 range, you’re probably really not going to get anything more than a role player, unless you just happen to discover a diamond in the rough. Blair’s success in college should’ve been enough to convince teams that he is worth, at the least, a contribution to the team. I don’t see Gerald Henderson ever playing significant minutes for any one in the league at this point in his career. I think the Bobcats were more content with thinking Radmonovic would end up as a big part of the rotation, rather than thinking Henderson was going to be an impact player.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
"Blair’s success in college should’ve been enough to convince teams that he is worth... a contribution to the team."
Sean May had some success in college. Sure as hell convinced us a couple years ago.
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is.
by Ben Swanson on Feb 10, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I Would've Never Took May
I’m a die hard N.C. fan, but I knew it was a terrible waste when we picked May. Danny Granger would’ve been a huge pickup. David Lee was still on the board as well. However, May’s problems have really come mostly from injuries, and that is primarily the reason Blair slid in the draft. I don’t think it’s fair for a player like Blair to slide so far because of that, while a player like Oden can still go number 1 despite his injury concerns.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ladies ans Gentlemen...
I give you the King of Hindsight. Dispensing wisdom that we’ve all figured out already.
What will you tell us next KoH? The Hornets should have never traded Kobe or Vlade? Morison’s game doesn’t really translate to the NBA?
Don’t keep us in suspense. Tell us more!!!! Are the Lakers going to be title contenders this year?
KoH!
KoH!
KoH!
Lol
Your sarcasm reminds me of my 9 year old niece. That’s cute. It’s not hindsight when you get expected results is it? I never expected Henderson to have an impact this year and I expected Blair to have one. And I could’ve told you beforehand morrison was a bad pick.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I could’ve told you beforehand morrison was a bad pick.
You are in the vast minority, because almost all NBA analysts at the time said it was a great pick.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I'm in that minority too then
It didn’t take much to see Adam Morrison for the big pussy he truly is.
lol
Exactly. Anybody expecting him to turn into the next Larry bird watches too much tv. The player he reminds me of, even during college, was Jason kapono, not worth a lottery pick.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 5:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Henderson hasn't been given a chance to play...
because we unexpectedly picked up two good veteran 2 guards after we drafted him. You may not have expected him to have an impact, but you didn’t expect him to not have an impact because the team had a surplus of 2 guards. You can’t claim to say “I told you so” about Hendo unless you can claim that you expected the team to bring in a bunch of 2 guards at the start of the season.
We haven’t seen Hendo play, which means any conclusions that you draw considering his potential or abilities are pretty meaningless.
I never said
Henderson was a bad player. But he is what he is. I call him dahntay Jones 2.0. I think the bobcats were trying to address their lack of guards on the roster while dismissing their need for scoring and rebounding. Henderson doesn’t do either.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Now you're just sending mixed messages
Who says they don’t expect to see Hendo ever play significant minutes in the league and then turns around and says that Hendo isn’t a bad player?
You can only have one opinion friend.
P.S. Dahntay Jones has played significant minutes!
no mixed messages
You are just taking me saying we should’ve drafted Blair instead and trying to make it seem as though I’m saying Henderson is the worst. No. I just said drafting him was a mistake because Blair would’ve been able to contribute immediately. Henderson was there to take raja spot after he retired.
And I said at this point in his career, Henderson doesn’t look like he will play big minutes, meaning he is a role player. You try to do better than role players with lottery picks. Jones played bog minutes so denver could bring smith off the bench. They had enough offense in the starting lineup already.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What you're not not appreciating is the fact that Larry Brown shapes his roster to be defense oriented.
Offense may have been the first thing on your agenda, but LB will always prioritize defense. It’s his roster brother. At the time, a 2 guard off the bench was a bigger need than a PF off the bench given the injury concerns for Bell. Diaw is injured far less than is Bell at this point in their careers.
In an ideal world, Charlotte would have traded up in the second round to take Blair, but they didn’t and we ended up with Brown (not too shabby).
Also, who expects anything more than solid role players w/ the 12th pick in the draft? Look at the draft history. It’s a crap shoot top to bottom. There’s no good way to definitively predict how a player will turn out. KoH!
Ah you guys caught me!
Maybe I was a little too sarcastic with CB because I miss talking smack to ol’ Procto. Whatever happened to that guy?
No one saw David Lee getting drafted so early
In three different sources that I can find now, and from what I can remember, David Lee was not expected to go in the first round. His projected places: 47th(!), not in 1st rd, and another not in the 1st rd. However, Sean May was seen to have soft hands, power in the paint, etc. His projected positions were 21st, 19th, and 14th. I’m not sure how you beat many draft experts on a second round pick.
Sources:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/3643/2005_nba_mock_draft.html?cat=14
http://www.nbadraft.net/mocks/2005_nba_mock_draft.html
http://www.globalsportsnetwork.com/Basketball/2005-NBA-Mock-Draft.html
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is.
Because he's the King of Hindsight!
He always knows what to do…after the fact.
im a carolina fan
May always seemed like a big softy to me. I never said I would’ve picked granger or lee, I just pointed out they were still on the board. I didnt even know who David lee was, so I’m not saying I would’ve picked him. I’m just saying I never thought may would be good in the nba and the fact that those two players were still on the board makes may look like an ever bigger bust than he actually was.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nazrt-rodamus
We have Nazr-trodamus Mohammed now. Maybe he can help the Bobcats make draft picks in the future.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Feb 15, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa! Settle down there fella.
“I don’t see Gerald Henderson ever playing significant minutes for any one in the league at this point in his career.”
And you’re basing this on what???
Jax and Flip fell into our laps unexpectedly. Hendo was a solid choice at a position of need at the time.
im basing this on
What I see from actually watching and playing sports on a regular basis, oh, and common sense. We already had raja bell who is the same player as Henderson, with a better offensive game. Our real need was a scoring guard. You don’t just put every shooting guard in the same category because thats what ESPN has them listed as. There was no need for another defensive specialist. We already good at that.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ummm what?
Henderson is way more athletic than Bell. Henderson also has a more well rounded offensive game than Bell (who’s essentially a stand still shooter). Hendo has limited shooting range (just like Bell did coming into the NBA), but can get to the rim and create his own shot. They are nowhere near the same player. What sport have you been watching and playing?
It's based on Hendo's playing time this year
by andrewlail76 on Feb 10, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
haha you're being sarcastic right?
Jax, Flip, and LB’s inexplicable love of Graham say more about Hendo’s playing time than anything else.
so what
Do you think Henderson will do? I’m thinking not too much. My speculation on his career comes from his lack of offensive game. You can’t try to condemn me for speculating on what someone will be like in the future. The draft is all about speculation.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 5:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
From the bench...no not too much
If he gets on the court and learns the NBA game…A Raja Bell…just better in all facets
by andrewlail76 on Feb 10, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
i actually hope
We keep Henderson, which is why I didn’t put him in any trade proposal. I watch duke a lot and he impressed me with his athleticism, but he is going to need a lot of time to develop. I’m no professional scout, but I felt like Blair was more nba ready. In my mind, I would rather have a rookie with injury concerns who could start right away rather than have someone who would take a few years to develop into a role player. That’s just my opinion though.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oddly enough, I think Hendo is a trade chip
We’re not using him. Unless we don’t plan on keeping Flip around next year we won’t be using him for a while. He’s got potential to be a solid starter, but if trading him can help bring in a good power forward now I say do it.
I think his skill set as a wing player is more easily replaced through future draft than other positions would be.
I don't think Flip will be here
Depending on Henderson’s off season and Summer League development…either that or he goes D league soon…
by andrewlail76 on Feb 10, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Anyone on the roster who is not playing is available for trade. Henderson will likely never be more than a good role player. If we can trade him and some other spare parts for a back-up PF, we should do it.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Feb 15, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa now...
If we trade Hndo…and parts, it better be for more than a backup PF
by andrewlail76 on Feb 16, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
You are speculating. Correct.
But as the King of Hindsight, you’re also they guy who says “I told you so” every time your speculation happens to (as in by CHANCE) be right. The draft is all about speculation I agree. So why are you claiming to have known what to do in past drafts?
There’s nothing wrong w/ speculation. I’m just saying that you don’t have much evidence for your speculation. History shows that it’s really difficult to predict how players will turn out, especially from the fan perspective.
there have been plenty
Of draft picks I’ve been wrong about. I thought, and I don’t know if you remember the hornets or not, that kirk Haston was a great pick. I’m not saying I am right about them all, but i was right about Blair. Look for devan downey of south carolina to be a big time nba player.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I remember Haston...barely.
It’s good to be able to admit when you’re wrong. And I don’t really think you’re necessarily “right” about Blair. He’s playing the way a lot of people thought he might, though we don’t know what kind of player he’ll be in 2-3 years. That’s why he makes more sense outside of the lottery. I personally think he should have gone in the mid-late first round.
You did sounds a little pompous at first, that’s why I was having a little fun w/ you. But like I said, as long as we’re clear on what speculation means, speculate away.
i apologize if i sounded pompous
But, I really never thought Henderson would be a good fit for us. I’m a unc fan to the heart, hate duke, with a passion. But I actually like Henderson. I’m confident he will improve over time, but I think his talents are better suited for a team with a lot of offensive weapons so he can get time on the floor to help with what I know him for, defense. I think he would do well with a team like Dallas.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 5:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No worries, I like to talk a little smack. It's nothing personal.
I just disagree that Henderson doesn’t fit on a Larry Brown team. Of course we needed more scoring, and luckily got it in Jax, but that doesn’t mean Henderson was a bad pick considering the circumstances at the time.
all things considered
Henderson wasn’t a bad pick at all. I knew we needed more bodies at sg, it was probably either going to be him or terrance Williams. Its more about how I felt Blair would turn out rather than by how Gerald wouldn’t turn out. But, no need living in the past. Henderson is a cat now, and I hope he and Blair both have long, productive careers.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
all things considered
Henderson wasn’t a bad pick at all. I knew we needed more bodies at sg, it was probably either going to be him or terrance Williams. Its more about how I felt Blair would turn out rather than by how Gerald wouldn’t turn out. But, no need living in the past. Henderson is a cat now, and I hope he and Blair both have long, productive careers.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
they are the same player
In regards to him being there for defense more than anything. Sure, he is younger and more athletic, but be serious. He is not an offensive minded player which was our biggest concern this offseason.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Isn't the LB philosophy...
pass first?
What defines offensive minded?
Get the best shot…right?
Not always taking the shot?
I’m not getting into this. I’m defending a player that I have seen atrophy because he sits. I have the belief that on the job trainig makes a player better. He’s not getting that.
I feel like I’m arguing with someone from the past…
by andrewlail76 on Feb 10, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
im not arguing with anyone
Because in the end, all I really want is the best for the bobcats. But, just review the draft notes. No one really thinks Henderson is going to turn into a great nba player or an offensive force. I shouldn’t have to explain what the difference between an offensive minded a defensive minded player. Just use these names, Michael redd and Bruce bowen. Which one would you say would have help us more coming into the year?
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 5:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Michael Bowen
Or Bruce Redd
I’d take either one
by andrewlail76 on Feb 10, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Do you call Derrick Brown a Role Player?
A Diamond in the Rough?
Can you rate someone after 1/2 season?
by andrewlail76 on Feb 10, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
i like brown
He is very athletic and can be a James posey type of spark plug. My only problem with him is his jumpshot, but that should improve.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 5:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know it will...
and he’s left handed
by andrewlail76 on Feb 10, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not a mistake...
just a bad fit at the time…
Good fit if Flip and Graham were not in the mix…we would see a different guy
Playing time would have equalled a bit of an NBA player(Derrick Brown is my example)…instead we have a rookie for next year.
by andrewlail76 on Feb 10, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a better one:
I doubt ’Sheed is even on the market, but the below trade scenario kind of makes sense – especially if Boston is truly interested in acquiring DJ.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5446371
Boston gets: DJ Augustin & Boris Diaw
Charlotte gets: Rasheed Wallace, Glen Davis & Eddie House
This trade could potentially make BOTH teams better.
That One Is Good Too
You’re right. That could work well. I just doubt that Boston is ready to give up on 3 of their core players and Larry is willing to give up Diaw just yet. But I would take that trade in a heartbeat.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
i like that one better
Sheed is a short term fix, but with some LB guidance I could see Big Baby being better for us in the long run, havin both, now that’s just awesome.
"Smokey this isn't 'Nam this is bowling. There are rules!"
+1
We don’t want a 1 and done…we’re building for the long term
by andrewlail76 on Feb 10, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with any trade involving Deej:
We still don’t know what will happen with Felton in the offseason. He’s obviously earned an extension, but at what cost? $10 million per season? I still don’t know if he’s worth that much money.
Getting ‘Sheed would be fantastic, but little more than a rental for the remainder of the season. If the C’s would take Diaw for Rasheed straight up then show me where to sign, but if we got Sheed for DJ then Felton left for greener pastures we would be out two PGs on the season and have little to show for it.
Especially with the absence of a 1st round pick (provided we make the playoffs) you could be setting the team back in the long run by not keeping DJ.
However, if you have a verbal agreement with Ray ready to go so he’ll sign on the dotted ASAP, then I say deal away.
As a footnote, people who are saying ‘Deal Henderson’ are being shortsighted. He’s a very, very good player who’s just riding the pine… as do all LB rookies.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Luckily
There will be a lot of other free agents that teams will be vying for and he has an actual desire to stay in charlotte. I’m confident we can keep him, though I would rather keep both felton and Augustin.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 4:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Wallace as an All Star
And our driv this year will make Charlotte more inviting
by andrewlail76 on Feb 10, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
true
We won’t have any cap space for a couple of years though, but maybe we can convince a stud to sign for the mle.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I see your point about D.J. and have expressed a similar idea in the past.
I’m seeing him as expendable now though because Felton has proven to be far and away the better PG at this point in his career. If Felton gets another team to over pay him and we keep D.J. as out starter, I personally believe that Charlotte becomes a worse team. I think keeping Felton has to be the main priority now. I’m not going to pretend to know the best course of action, however. Our PG situation this off season is going to be quite precarious.
trading DJ
either means they have plans to resign felton for what he wants, or have plans to trade for/sign a free agent PG in the off season. Honestly, I’ll take him. He saves our asses pretty often. Having a CLUTCH player is a big deal. He also plays great defense. I think that he’s shown he can lead this team, but having a solid PF to bail him out on nights where he’s shooting poorly. That is a big deal. Diaw isn’t that guy. He CAN be, off the bench, but he isn’t while getting the time he is getting. I would like to see us get BIg Baby and start him over Diaw to light a fire under his ass to play harder and GO GET IT instead of looking like he’s not interested.
"Smokey this isn't 'Nam this is bowling. There are rules!"
i second
Your notion on diaw. I think he could be so much better than he on most nights. I think if we land Davis, we should being boris off the bench, even though he is the better player.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 10, 2010 6:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This thread id out of control
There is too much going on for me to contribute. I will just read the comments and laugh.
"I could never be a thug, they don't dress this well." - Malice
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