(L.A.L) Life After Larry
A friend of mine and I talk sports just about every morning before we go to work. This morning, we jumped around from subject to subject, talking about how the talent at UNC just wasn't working (he's a Duke fan, I didn't want to talk about that long), we talked about Cam Netwon and what would've happened had he stayed at Florida, we discussed Urban Meyer's re-retirement, and then our attentions turned to the Celtics v. Knicks game from last night. Did any of you see that game by the way? It was great, with Paul Pierce nailing a jumper with .4 seconds left to play to put the Cetics up 2, only to have Amare Stoudemire nail a three pointer at the buzzer for the Knicks win, only to have the refs wave it off after reviewing the clock. Wow, what a game.
The subject then jumped to Raymond Felton, who had 26 points and 14 assists last night and is quickly making everyone in the Big Apple forget about the plan to bring CP3 or Derron Williams to NY. This is the point where Larry Brown's name entered our discussion this morning. This is the point where my friend said, and I quote:
"Larry Brown has to be one of the worst coaches in NBA history. How in the hell does Raymond Felton go from scrub in Charlotte to star in N.Y. and Tyson Chandler goes from role player status in Charlotte to being one of the key catalyst to the Mav's year" (who are off to a 20-5) start,
Now, in previous years, I would've said something like "man, Raymond Felton is a scrub, I'm a UNC fan, I should know" or "You really think Tyson Chandler is going to keep that up", but this year, I'm finding myself constantly saying, "Well, the talent was always there".
Then, we moved on to other players who have shined in various ways after escaping the clutches of the Bobcats. He then said...............
"Look at Shannon Brown. You mean to tell me that this man can barely crack the rotation for the Bobcats, but he can be a key role player on a championship Lakers team? Or Jared Dudley?" (who had a lot of success with the Suns last year)
Now, in previous years, I would've said something like "man, Shannon Brown's skill set just doesn't fit Larry's, neither does Dudley's". This year, the only clear, thought through answer I could give him was a simple, "I don't know". And all at once, it's like it hit me.
When someone asks me what a good coach is, I always tell them that it is a person who can make talent work. I don't blame coaches with inferior talent when they lose, but when the talent is there, it's ultimately up to you to make it work. Which is the same reason I felt Erick Spoelstra was well on his way to being fired when Miami got off to a 9-8 start to begin the season (that seems like a long time ago). And for the Bobcats, I feel like the talent is here, has been here for the past few years, and will continue to be here. It just depends on what we do with it.
Stephen Graham and Dominic McGuire have come to represent Larry's love for overachieving. Like some of the other posts on here in recent days suggest, I'm really starting to question Larry's love for winning measured against it. Out of all the championship teams over the past 15 years, Larry Brown's Pistons have probably been the least likeliest to win it on paper. Out of all the championship contenders of the past 15 years, Larry Brown's Sixers have probably been the least likeliest to make it on paper (even less likely than LeBron's Cavs). I mean, in my opinion, to this day, getting a team featuring Eric Snow and George Lynch to the Finals and winning it with Rip and Ben over Shaq and Kobe were phenomenal achievements, but did Larry lose his mind somewhere along the way?
What really can explain the fact that McGuire is a featured player in Charlotte (yes, he is, check the minutes) other than the theory that Larry likes to win with less? I've been wrecking my brain trying to come up with something, but I just can't. I'll admit, the moment we got Larry Brown to sign on the dotted line to become our head coach I was estatic. Sam Vincent can do that to a man. But now that this pattern has continued of overachieving players being featured here, I'm wondering have we been underachieving all alone. Looking back at our 08 team, which included Jason Richardson, Gerald Wallace, Raymond Felton, Emeka Okafor, Jared Dudley, and Nazr Mohammed, I'm really wondering how good our team could have been without a coach with such outdated ideas. L.A.L. has always scared me because I look around the league and I see guys like Jay Triano, John Kuester, and Mike Dunleavy out there who seem to just establish themsevles year after year of being bad coaches, and I really don't want to get into that pattern of having to fire a coach every three years. Then, I think back to Sam Vincent and literally shake. But then, I think about all of the Jerry Sloans, Alvin Gentry's Mike D'antonis, and Phil Jacksons, who always seem to make it work with whoever and whatever they have. Maybe the problem hasn't been the players. And maybe Raja Bell, Jared Dudley, Raymond Felton, and Shannon Brown are the proof. Time to get ready for L.A.L.
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Senile
He used to be great (just like my grandparents) but is completely out of touch and delusional (just like my grandparents).
Sometimes I wonder how different things would be if the Lakers had crushed that Pistons team the way they should have. That series said more about team chemistry than it did anything else. Would LB still be coaching without that on his pedigree?
That's very true.
I still think Larry is helpful as a coach because he stresses defense so much when a lot of coaches are just out there preaching offense. But to me, the problem with Larry is he doesn’t realize it takes good offense AND defense to win. He’s gotta let these guys do their thing and try to create more offense on their own without running his damn, predicatble plays all game. And he’s gotta let the best guys play. We can’t afford a moral lesson from Larry. We’re trying to get to the playoffs. He can save all his fatherly methods for the next job.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
this is the best fan post I've ever read about LB
LB is great when he is focused, but I think being away from his family is really disturbing him. MJ should let him go back to his family.
Senile old coot
LB is loco. This is really hard for me to say, being a Tarheels and Bobcats fan, but he just can’t do it anymore. I think you fellas might be right about the “winning with a weak lineup” theory. I just really can’t find ANY reasons for the personnel decisions that he has made. I also fear that the bond between MJ and LB may be to tight to be easily broken. This could hamper us for too long.
Like Charlotte Bobcat said, I think we have always had some quality talent on the roster. This year is weak, but we still have some players. It has to be the system!! These players are not getting the freedom needed. Aren’t you supposed to find spots and roles so your players can contribute in the areas that they excel at? I feel like LB has given up, and the players are following suit.
That said, I would have called him senile simply for this seasons playing time issue. You simply cannot answer why McGuire pulls starter minutes when we can’t score over 60 points and lose horribly nightly. Just terrible team management. Brown and Henderson rot away, only to eventually be the next S. Brown an Dudley somewhere else.
If Larry wants to keep up this “overachiever” nonsense, he needs to find a job coaching Special Olympics. Because we want to win games, not just watch your Frankenstein of a project fizzle and flame until the bolts shoot out it’s neck and it craps it britches. Dammit LB.
Michael, we wanna win. Make this happen please, any way shape of form. Nothing is safe, this organization is ready to be blown up and reconstructed. Frustrating…
I think the saving grace for us
will be Larry’s want to be home with his family. Maybe we won’t have to wait for the Tar Heel bond to be broken by Jordan.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I just wish it would come sooner than later
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by andrewlail76 on Dec 16, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
If he wanted that...
He could have left us long before now.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 17, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not so sure.
I think he would have taken the Clippers or 76’ers front office role had Jordan not been demanding a draft pick in return. I really don’t think Larry wants to be here anymore.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
That's all speculation.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 18, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's speculating saying Larry still wants to be coach of the Bobcats.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 18, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
He could walk away at any time.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 18, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
He could, and I believe that
if he was coaching for anybody other than M.J., he would have already.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't think his heart is in this anymore...MJ won't fire him, but i wouldn't be suprised to see LB resign at some point between now and January
As far as potential replacements go, i am very worried about MJ’s knack for hiring his buddies…I havn’t got a clue as to who would make a good replacement…Gotta just hold on and see what happens i reckon…
I can already see it.
You’re next head coach of the Charlotte Bobcats!!!!
Dennis Rodman.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and Kitty, let me apologize as well. I was wrong.
Watching that game last night, I finally saw what you’ve been seeing from Jax. I hadn’t had a chance to watch a game in a while until last night, but now I’m more open to trading him than ever and I believe that Mayo and Thabeet for him would be an offer we would get rejected on instead of the other way around now. What’s so frustrating about it isn’t that we’re losing, but how we’re losing. Like ODWC said, one thing about the Bobcats has been they have always been a hard working unit since the league gave them back to us. Now, I just don’t see that hard work, and Jax is the primary culprit. Picking up cheap fouls because his man beat him off the dribble, not getting back on D so he can argue with the refs and pick up another tech, I mean, it’s just getting out of hand at this point. The time to deal is now.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm afraid we may have waited too long to deal our best players...
I think we are going to get low-balled in trade talks involving Jax and even GW for that matter. If we sit around much longer, we are only painting ourselves into a corner and it’s gonna be harder and harder to get any real value for our best assets…
I think so too..
Jordan tried to play hardball all summer and it cost us big time! I’d love to have Thabett and Mayo too! That Memphis team has alot of talent and so far they’ve been underachieving this year, but when a team is struggling, the best fix would be to play the Bobcats at this point
Oh and MJ please fire Larry and bring in Mark Jackson please!
I just mentioned Jackson on a diff thread
I am having a hard time coming up with any other young guys that i would like to give a shot. The absolute last thing we need if LB is gone is some old retread coach. I’m all for youth and enthusiasm at this point, and M Jackson could be what we need, or someone like him atleast…
I never thought of him
I had Jeff Van Gundy on the brain
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by andrewlail76 on Dec 16, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Jalen Rose?
Very out-of-the-box if you wil, but i could see them doing something outlandish to make a bit of a splash…Well known former baller that can bring some much needed flair to a city very much in need of it…Maybe Rose isn’t the guy per se, but someone in his same mold and personallity would be ideal i think…Thoughts?
oooooh
I like that
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by andrewlail76 on Dec 16, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Scrappy, undersized former PG is the way to go
Avery Johnson, Scott Brooks, Scott Skiles…
Definitely...
But the thing that troubles me about him is that I think him and MJ would clash a bit…I don’t think they care for each other, even from their playoff days, I mean I could be wrong, but I still don’t understand why his name wasn’t even mentioned when and during the time before Larry Brown was hired. I do think the team that gets Mark will be a good team depending on their roster, but I think he’s the next Doc Rivers.
I think he's good, and he's done well for the team, HOWEVER...
Like John Fox with the Panthers, I’m just growing tiresome of him. Yes, he’s propelled this Bobcats team further than it’s ever been, and into the playoffs. However, his style does seem to be at times destructive rather than constructive. Sometimes, it does just seem too strict and not loose enough.
Always gotta find that
middle ground between being too strict and being a player’s coach. I think Larry has always been too strict, except for when he was with Philly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
This is the pattern of Larry Brown...everywhere he goes...
Come in and impress for a while, make loads of trades and changes, things degenerate and he becomes a pain.
Larry is old and hasn’t taken any steps toward developing new or refined approaches to the game of today. His love for underdog, high motor players with little talent is a sickness. He has no patience for playing or developing young players. Again, he’s stuck on an oldies station..determined to bring back the “cha-cha”.
Go away LB…go home to your hot wife and kids who will be lucky to have their daddy walking to their high school graduation.
They (fans of other teams Larry coached)
warned us this was going to happen. I didn’t want to listen because Larry had finally gotten with a GM and an owner who were completely on the same page, but it doesn’t even seem that that is the case anymore.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Felton wasn't a scrub in Charlotte, and Chandler was injured
The faster pace in NY makes Felton’s stats better.
The lack of injury lets Chandler play to his potential. Not sure what happened to the brick-hands. Maybe he has a new brand of lotion.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Dec 18, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions
I still think Felton is kinda scrubbish.
He’s good, but I just don’t think he will ever live up to what people are now expecting him to. Just like Mo Williams and Jameer Nelson. I gotta see Felton get it done consistently in the playoffs before I’m ready to move him up the elite ranking ladder. I still rank him around the same as I did when he was in Charlotte, just a little higher among the PG’s.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
And as far as Chandler goes, I think
being in a contract year is providing him a little motivation as well. As much praise as he’s been getting, I think his stats show that he is the same player he’s always been, just back on a good team.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Felton was league average, and Chandler was garbage when he WAS healthy.
9-9 is NOT worth $13 mil.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 19, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
While I disagree re Felton (he was ranked 8th among starting pg last season) Chandler was pure suckage.
He had cinderblock hands and near as I can tell, he’s colorblind. He kept slapping at brown and pink things instead of what was very clearly an orange and black orb.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Dec 19, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Who did that "rankage?"
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
You can win this one by giving me 8 better ones. GO!!!
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
CP3, Derron Williams, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook........
Janerro Pargo, Jason Kidd, Jameer Nelson, Devin Harris…………..
Which one doesn’t belong?
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly? I couldn't say.
I didn’t do any research on the comment. I remember several people here last season talking about that stat. My memory wants to say it was ESPN, but I wouldn’t make book on it.
The factoid isn’t as germaine to what I was trying to say as my agreement with you about Chandler and my disagreement with you about Felton. In my opinion, Felton was valuable to this team until the playoffs began. Chandler was not.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Dec 20, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, i was just curious.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions

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