Stephen Jackson ejected, Gerald Wallace helped off the floor, Bobcats lose 104-101... Depression sets in
There's so much to cover from this game. When Stephen Jackson was ejected early in the first quarter, the Bobcats were left with some unappetizing options for filling his rotation spot. Shaun Livingston ended up playing more minutes than usual, many of them alongside D.J. Augustin in a double point guard lineup, but Dominic McGuire ended up playing more minutes than any other reserve, and had, probably, the best game of his career.
At the end of the game, Gerald Wallace hit the floor hard when fouled at the rim, and got to his feet clutching his left elbow and doubled over in pain. We'll find out soon enough what the injury is, exactly. Until then, it's not really worth speculating. What is worth discussing is how much an absence might hurt the Cats. Hint: a lot.
Game thread comment, lowlights, and highlights after the jump.
GAME THREAD COMMENT
Ft.Mill Bobcat -- Boris refuses to impress in back to back games out of principle.
BAD
-- Gerald Wallace's injury, if serious, will sink this team. He's the Bobcats' best player, and even though Derrick Brown is an intriguing young player, the harsh reality is that he's an intriguing young player as long as he's relegated to a bench role. If Brown, or Dominic McGuire, takes over the starting small forward spot, or Stephen Jackson slides over so that Shaun Livingston, Matt Carroll, or Gerald Henderson (yeah, right...) takes over the starting guard spot, the Cats' starting lineup suddenly looks like one of the very worst in the league. To answer a question from an earlier thread: yes, if Gerald Wallace is out for any extended period of time, the Cats will suck.
-- As will be noted below, Dominic McGuire played very well. However, it was at the expense of Derrick Brown. Per 36 minutes, for his career, McGuire is averaging 5.7 points and 7.6 rebounds, which is actually a little generous to him, because this season, before this game, he was averaging 3.4 points (per 36 minutes!!!) and 8.4 rebounds. Playing mostly as a wing, Brown's career numbers, per 36, and in about 1/5 the minutes, are 12.4 points and 5.5 rebounds. Except that this year, he's going for 12.4 points and 6.1 boards, and shooting a preposterous 63% from the field. Brown got 5:34 tonight. Unless he's truly too hurt to play, it's a travesty that McGuire got the opportunity to play over Brown, who is two years younger and already demonstrably better.
-- Nazr Mohammed is struggling, which shouldn't surprise us, but it's disappointing because he was such an offensive surprise last year. Without an effective Mohammed, the current center situation is a full blown debacle (Kwame Brown's improbable 5-6 from the free throw line tonight, notwithstanding). Of course, LB could commit to playing Boris Diaw alongside Tyrus Thomas, putting his best players on the floor for as many minutes as possible. But why would any coach want to do that?
-- Andrew Bogut, Corey Maggette, Carlos Delfino, and Drew Gooden were all out of this game with various ailments, and the Cats still couldn't knock off the Bucks. It's depressing.
GOOD
-- D.J. Augustin went crazy on offense, scoring 26 points on 15 attempts, plus 6 assists and 3 rebounds. That's muted a bit because his defense still isn't where it needs to be, but I'll take that kind of offense any day.
-- Dominic McGuire had a career night, with 13 points on 6 attempts, 15 rebounds, and 2 blocks, all in 31 minutes. It was the ceiling performance a guy with his skill set, and it helped keep the Cats in the game. However, in the end, I'm worried that this is going to encourage Larry Brown to play McGuire more at the expense of players who have proven they are better right now than McGuire is in just about every way (see: Derrick Brown). Just for reference, McGuire's previous career-best game was a 14 point, 14 rebound effort in February 2009. And to hammer the point home, Jeff McInnis had 17 points and 9 assists, and Matt Carroll had 22 points, in a January 2007 game. And Adam Morrison had 30 points and 6 rebounds in a December 2006 game.
-- Shaun Livingston has quietly put together a solid comeback season. Sure, he played a little bit last year, but he played in fewer than half the possible games. Now, he's an unquestioned rotation player for the Cats, and even though his per-minute averages aren't yet up to their pre-injury levels, his combination of good-looking defense and passable offense have made for a pleasant surprise. Tonight, he scored 16 points on 6 attempts, coming off the bench for 28 minutes.
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Gerald Wallace injury update
Hyper-extended left elbow, x-ray taken at arena was negative. Feeling started to come back after ice treatment.
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Ah, well,
Ok, that’s a bit of relief. I was seriously worried.
by Roger, Roger on Nov 28, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
"Pick the worst free throw shooter off the bench" rule is stupid
I understand the concern over faking an injury, but Gerald Wallace got rewarded for attacking the basket and messing up his arm so that Kwame can come in? That’s a joke.
Good effort from the team. DJ got torched, but I honestly don’t know how. I need to go back and rewatch the game. All of Jennings’s 3’s were wide open. I know he was running through several screens so it might be bad team D, but it might have just been pretty bad by DJ.
This is the Livingston I think we’re all expecting to be around for 2 years. Killing smaller guards in the mid post with that midrange game. He’s getting better.
I have no idea what to think about this team… I like a lot of the players, I like a lot of what I see, I like a lot of the growth… but watching them drives me insane. I’ll just keep watching and we’ll see what happens.
I expect Livingston to be around for 3 years
That team option 3rd year at 3.5 mil is looking pretty darn good. (At least I think it was at 3.5, someone who knows where to find salaries can correct me if I’m wrong).
I actually expect Livingston to get better. Over the summer I was arguing that we should have locked him up for 4 years. I still think we might have made a mistake not getting him for 4 years, but at least 2 + 1 team option is pretty good.
by Tim Rudisill on Nov 28, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
I absolutely agree re the free throw shooter rule.
Until tonight I had always thought the opposing team picked from players that were on the court at the time of the foul/injury.
I had no idea they could grab someone off the bench.
I don’t know whether to be furious at the Bucks coach for screaming his head off to the refs, “they have no time outs! Get Brown on that line!” or furious for at the refs for not calling a technical. He not only didn’t respect the game, he showed no respect to an All-Star with a potentially season ending injury. On the other hand, it just means the guy is a tough competitor and was involved in a very close game. He didn’t want to give away any advantage by letting LB sneak in a timeout chat during the break in action. Were the tables turned, Brown would have likely done the exact same thing. I’d like to say I wouldn’t, but I got pretty intense and heartless on the soccer field in my heyday. We had a player get his face broken (I don’t know what else to call it – fractured cheekbone, eye socket, jaw, and broken nose) and before they even got the stretcher out there I was asking the coach if I should warm up and go in the game as soon as our guy was on the sideline.
That was my very first game as a soccer player and I started all but 5 games in my career unless I was injured myself.
For the one or two that might be curious, he attempted a slide tackle and his intended victim jumped in the air and came down cleat first into Patrick’s head. It was very accidental and the kid that did it was crying and shaking for the rest of the game.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 28, 2010 4:04 AM EST up reply actions
They T'ed up JAX very quickly, but let Skiles whine and cry all night
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Nov 28, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Skiles is very intimidating
I wouldn’t blow the whistle on that guy either.
Thank you, San Francisco!
I agree with you Ourday
Bucks coach was a douchebag during that moment. I almost got a sense of mockery and snobbery when he was clamoring for Kwame Brown. Probably the first time Kwame has been under that kind of pressure in a long time. I’m glad he made one of the free throws, but if only he had made them both,,,,
As for that rule, I’m sort of on the fence on it. I think it is good because it makes up for the event that a player fakes his injury. That being said, I think it’s kinda messed up they can pick players off the bench. I think it should just be the players on the court.
by Roger, Roger on Nov 28, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Another failed comeback.
The Bobcats lead the league with 7 games decided by three points or less, with a record in those games of 2-5. The next two weeks are crucial, five of our next 8 opponents are against teams either at or below .500 which we must beat.
It's a telling comment that I'd be more comfortable if we were playing the best in the league instead.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 28, 2010 4:05 AM EST up reply actions
Dominic McGuire did not appear to be playing at his ceiling
He appears to be very talented. To really see if this is a fluke LB needs to continue playing McGuire extended minutes. If Derrick Brown doesn’t play as much, that’s tough. Derrick has showed promise and thrown down some impressive dunks, but he is often out of position on defense and tentative on offense when he isn’t under the rim.
Right now Dominic McGuire appears to be much better than Derrick Brown.
While I believe this was as big a fluke as a Powerball jackpot win, there is only one way to find out.
Crash is likely to be out for at least a week or so and perhaps as long as a month or more. There should be ample opportunity for both McGuire and Brown to earn sufficient minutes. Dominic will be able to prove that he’s for real, and Brown willb be able to hunker down, learn the team defense, and prove he’s not just a budding scorer.
Again, my money is on fluke, but his performance last night warrants another game or two. Let’s face it, this week was one of the toughest challenges the Cats will face this season and they failed to rise to the test in too many areas to count. At this point we need all the help we can get. If Phil Ford can still scrape a double-double together then we need to get HIM a uniform too.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 28, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Bonnell said he will be fine to play Wednesday.
There is no severity fluctuations on a hyperextension of any kind. A hyper extension is the same no matter who the player is. Wheter or not you decide to play through the (minimal) pain, is up to the player and the player only. I have taken sports medicine classes, so I am very familiar with sports injuries, and I have actually hyper extended my elbow and wrist before, so I know the pain.
Knowing Gerald, I agree with Bonnell, he will be suited up wednesday night to go up against the Hornets.
I get more dunks than a box of oreos
by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Nov 28, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't start either...
I don’t think this is the end of the world, I think this little period at a guess will be Diaw’s finest hour, he is a natural point-forward and will now be playing in his proper position. This injury also now creates an opportunity for Thomas to start at his natural position at Power forward. A few people may have to play extended minutes but our bench should lose out too much.
I agree with you on your earlier call, I’m more comfortable with the Cats playing teams they should be getting beaten by, it seems to bring the best out in us.
Hyerextended elbow
Guess it could have been worse
Wait for it™
by andrewlail76 on Nov 28, 2010 11:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Kwame Brown?
To my understanding when a player who is fouled cant shoot the foul shots, the coach can choose a player to take them for him. If that’s true, why the hell did Larry Brown pick Kwame Brown to shoot those free throws…. I don’t care if he shot 4/4 from the foul line up to that point, that was an awful decision. Put in literally anyone else besides Diop, and it would have been a better shot at tieing the game. Im still stunned by that decision.
MATT CARROLL FOR THREEEE!!!!!
Larry Brown did not choose Kwame
The Bucks coach did. The opposing team makes the call on who can shoot free throws during the situation we faced yesterday.
Bucks coach was yelling off the top of his lungs and going like crazy, clamoring for Kwame Brown to take the shots. Good thing Diop was inactive, hm?
by Roger, Roger on Nov 28, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
for confirmation on that rule, I wasn’t sure.
MATT CARROLL FOR THREEEE!!!!!
I dont know if Mcguire’s game was a fluke or not but i do know the Guy plays hard and that is what this team needs. His effort was contagious and got us back in the game. I dont think Mcguire will shot 5-6 every night but if he can get any where near the 15 rebounds he grabbed he will be a shot in the arm for are team. Our deffense was offensive vs the Bucks but McGuire was a bright spot on the deffensive end as well.

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