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The Raymond Felton era in Charlotte: a brief recap

This week is going to be one of the Charlotte Bobcats' toughest of the season. They're not going to play particularly difficult competition, but they will be playing four games in five nights, including two against the team's former captain and starting point guard, Raymond Felton.

Felton is a touchy subject for those Bobcats fans among us who don't care which basketball factory one chooses to help him get to the NBA. Criticize the guy, and someone will come out of the woodwork to mention how awesome he was at UNC. I get it. He was a key part of a national championship team that meant a lot to a lot of people in the Carolinas. But that has nothing to do with how well or how poorly he played for the Bobcats.

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It swings the other way, too. Felton got criticized for ludicrous things by both UNC-haters and others. My favorite line is the "we should never have drafted him" thing. Really? Consensus at the time said Felton was a fine pick to make, given the circumstances. Milwaukee took a franchise big man. Atlanta should have taken a point guard, but chose a super-high-upside swingman, instead. Utah surprised everyone by taking the second-best point guard in the draft, who'd been a combo guard in college. And then New Orleans took Chris Paul, the guy everyone expected to go second overall. Given the fifth pick in that draft, Danny Granger was the only other player who might have been on Felton's level as a college prospect, but he had knee issues that scared off everyone but Indiana, and Gerald Green was the high schooler that a lot of people thought might get picked ahead of Martell Webster. Other choices included Charlie Villanueva, a headcase who'd only played one year of uninterested ball at UConn, and Fran Vasquez, who actively didn't want to come to the U.S. All that's to say the pick was fine, but it just didn't work out as well as three of the four picks ahead of it.

If you want to sum up the Raymond Felton era in Charlotte, I think there are several fair points to make.

1 -- He was jerked around between point guard and shooting guard by his first two coaches. Sam Vincent, in particular, made the egregious mistake of starting him alongside Jeff McInnis instead of simply letting him run the offense.

2 -- Ignoring the position/role caveat, which probably reflects poorly upon him anyway, Felton hovered around being an average point guard his first four seasons, depending on what you think of his defense, and then became a well above average point during his final season, when he finally stopped shooting so much and had a corresponding improvement in his shooting percentages, across the board.

3 -- Every single person who'll go on record says that Felton was a positive presence on the team.

Are the Bobcats better for having let him go? Yes, but only because he commanded a salary out of line with his expected production. There's a chance Felton's improvement last season was real and permanent, and in 14 games with the Knicks this season, he's played some excellent basketball, even if the pace is inflating his box score stats a bit.

For his part, D.J. Augustin is a completely different player than he was his first two seasons in the league. Handed the point guard position to start the year, he, too, has stopped taking shots, even though, unlike Felton, shooting from the perimeter was actually one of Augustin's strongest skills. Interestingly, on offense, Augustin's season, thus far, is shaping up to look a lot like Felton's last season with the Cats -- only without anything near the kind of defense Felton played.

Finally, to throw a whole wrench into this mishmash, have you seen Felton's and Augustin's +/- numbers? Through November 20, Felton's Adjusted +/- is horrific: -23.26. Augustin: +0.39.

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First off I think DJ is doing a great job as a New starting PG. That said i disagree that DJ is having a season comparable to Rays season last year. One of the main improvements Ray had last year was a rise in shooting % ( about 46% last year). DJ is shooting 41% this year which is much better than last year but still is not very good. My point is DJ is considered a Far better shooter than Ray But the Stats say the opposite. It took ray 4 years to become an efficient scorer and i believe DJ will improve in this area as well but as of now we cant call DJ and efficient scorer.

by Bcat2.0 on Nov 22, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

True Shooting Percentage is a better stat to measure scoring efficiency by than FG%

Augustin currently has a TS% of 55.1 (58.7 as a rookie; seventh among point guards averaging at least 20 minutes per game), while Felton was at 52.5 last season, which was a season-high for him as a Bobcat.

More on D.J. and Ray at QCH:

With the Charlotte Bobcats about to kick off a home and home back to back with the New York Knicks, this seemed like a relevant time to check-in on how D.J. Augustin was doing replacing the production of Raymond Felton.

by RP_45 on Nov 22, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I would disagree about TS% being a good way to interpret a guy like DJ's game.

He’s a phenomenal free-throw shooter, which knocks the number out of whack. Still, he plays smarter, more disciplined, and more in control than Felton ever did.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Nov 22, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey dude!

I thought you fell off the grid! How goes it?
How’s school?

Wait for it™

by andrewlail76 on Nov 22, 2010 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hey fellas.

Life’s ok, just haven’t had much time for SBN of late. I’m actually working at the moment while I apply to law schools. Hope all has been well in the Rufusphere.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Nov 23, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

As to your points:

#1. He was jerked around between 1/2 because he can’t run an NBA offense to save his life. He can pass fine, but has no vision, and can’t shoot when that’s the only option. When he was playing off the ball and another PG was running the offense (including McInnis himself), he was a better, more efficient player.
#2. That it took a top-five pick four years to realize he can’t shoot worth a lick (since he never got better) is pretty pitiful in and of itself. The guy jacked up three threes a game for four years despite barely clearing 30% from behind the arc.
#3. Who cares? I’m sure Theo Ratliff was a great presence on the team, yet I didn’t see us clamoring to sign him.

Augustin is the superior player by far, but here’s the most important thing of all: we turned down the chance to get Chris Paul, the top PG in the entire league, for Sean May (who was obviously never going to be able to put down the KFC long enough to stay healthy) and Felton, who is, has been, and will be a clearly inferior player. Stupid.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Nov 22, 2010 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

Hindsight

At the time I also believed the Bobcats should have done whatever it took to move up in the draft and get Chris Paul, but their picks were not terrible either. Trading up would have been a big gamble for a new team, and their reluctance to do so was at least understandable, if misguided.

Assuming the Bobcats, like many other teams, were scared to draft Granger, Felton was just as good as the other options available at #5. He had the talent to be a successful NBA PG, but he never developed the shooting ability to reach his potential. That wasn’t totally foreseeable.

And saying the Bobcats passed up Paul to draft May is too simplistic. The Bobcats couldn’t have known for sure that he was going to be available at #13. While May was a pitiful NBA player, the other reasonable options didn’t have successful NBA careers either (besides Granger). May at least had the talent to be a decent player. He just lacked the commitment.

While Charlotte made two costly mistakes – not having the courage to trade up and worrying too much about Granger’s health – these were more unfortunate than “stupid” decisions.

by ClipCat on Nov 22, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

“INSANE” should be reserved for owners that opt to sign the Diops and Okafors to long, expensive deals

My sources can beat up your sources

by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 22, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

The NBA draft is largely a crapshoot. That’s one of the main reasons rooks can’t sign long term deals straight out of school. After the first 2 or 3 players are chosen, the variables become too difficult to gauge with any real accuracy. Can the player adjust to the NBA game? Can he handle the 3-point line being further back? Are they still growing physically? Will they add bulk? Can they handle criticism and being taught by the coaches and teammates? Will the sudden influx of cash and notoriety be more than they can handle? Can they party responsibly like the big boys? Will they be injury prone?

The list is literally endless.
There are very few teams with immaculate draft records. Even the might Celtics suffered a decade-long setback when Len Bias partied a bit too hard after his signing.

My sources can beat up your sources

by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 22, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

My feeling now is no different than it was then.

Felton was never going to be better than an average NBA point guard when it comes to the things I believe an NBA point guard should do: making his teammates better, controlling the offense, finding his teammates for great looks. Those are all things Chris Paul excels at, in addition to being a superior scorer in every way. Specifically, I’m reminded of a UNC-Duke game where Carolina had the ball with about ten seconds left with a chance to win or tie the game. Basically, Felton got the inbounds pass, put his head down, dribbled down the court, and then got himself stuck in the corner of the court at the elbow Never looked for another teammate, never tried to run a play, just convinced himself he could get the job done, strategy be damned. UNC never even got a shot off, and Duke won the game. That was a pattern I saw over and over in endgame situations here in Charlotte. Felton would bull his way up the court, never look at a teammate for another shot, and jack up a contested, off-balance brick that typically had no shot. (Yes, I know he hit a few game-winners, but his FG% on such shots hovered around 25%, a totally unacceptable mark for a guy who took that shot EVERY time.) As for May, he was no crapshoot at all. He was pudgy, undisciplined, and disinterested before his time here, during (drinking like a fish nights before a game rather than being at home trying to be in shape), and after. Guy was an impact player for what, three games in his NBA career? Pitiful. If that’s the standard we’re setting for a lotto pick, Henderson can’t help but be a dynamic success.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Nov 23, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that offer was on the table after the three picks had been made.

And your comment about May’s talent is irrelevant. He was ALWAYS lacking in commitment, they just hoped they could sell enough tickets with his UNC connection before he ate his way out of the league that nobody would notice.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Nov 23, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know Sean May.

He’s eco-friendly. When he’s finishes with the KFC, not only the chicken is gone, but the bucket, the styrofoam container the taters and gravy came in, and the ever popular spork as well. No landfill left behind. And since he eats bones and all, there is no danger that a dog will choke on the leftovers and die. His environmental footprint is smaller than an ant’s toenail.

My sources can beat up your sources

by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 22, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Sean May – the humanitarian. Who would have known.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Nov 22, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Ma

Wait for it™

by andrewlail76 on Nov 22, 2010 10:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Can't believe I'm saying this

Man I’ve missed you, and I love the Augustine/Felton breakdown
Don’t pull punches and tell it like it is.

Wait for it™

by andrewlail76 on Nov 22, 2010 10:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And I can't believe I just spelled augustin with an e at the end

Guess I’m so shocked to see you here

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by andrewlail76 on Nov 22, 2010 10:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Did anyone call Shockers?

Cat Scratch Reader's not-so-creepy stalker
a.k.a. DeAngelo Williams in the stalking business- agile and elusive

by Shockers on Nov 22, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Cat Scratch Reader's not-so-creepy stalker
a.k.a. DeAngelo Williams in the stalking business- agile and elusive

by Shockers on Nov 22, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone knows that if you're in the south

It’s got to be Bojangles… KFC may as well just shut down from Virginia all the way down the coast.

by drapht00 on Nov 23, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

May will take whichever one has a parking space closest to the door.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Nov 23, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Article

Felton is going to be wired for the next two games trying to prove his value to his old team.

I’m a UNC hater, but I became a big Felton fan while he was in Charlotte. I now hope DJ hands him his ass twice this week.

This Chris Paul / Raymond Felton draft debate is hogwash. All the Bobcats had to do was lose the last game of the 2004-2005 season and they would not have ended up tied with New Orleans in the standings. We then lost the coin flip and this gave New Orleans the advantage. Then both Charlotte and New Orleans lost the ping-pong ball drawing and we we ended up with pick #5 and New Orleans pick #4. Bickerstaff should have tanked the last game like New Orleans tanked their last game. Instead we gave Detroit a good beating and lost our advantage in the draft.

Trading 2 first round picks to move up one spot is a risky move. The player drafted at #4 could have easily been a bust. As much as some RoFers value late round first round picks, I am surprised this is getting blog time.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Nov 22, 2010 6:20 PM EST reply actions  

+1

But I’m in the middle. F THE LATE ROUND PICKS!!!!

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 22, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The best thing I can say about late first round picks...

is that they are slightly better than NO first round picks.
At least there’s a small chance you can use it and a little cash to buy your way up.

My sources can beat up your sources

by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 22, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Tanking games is not an acceptable strategy.

Particularly for such a young team looking to gain a foothold in the market. And it seems like we would have gotten Deron Williams at #4 (unless the FO at the time was dumber than I thought.) I don’t really see bust on him.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Nov 23, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Just put this on the Observer site

His points per game, field goal percentage, three point percentage, free throw percentage, rebounds, steals, assists, and even blocks are ALL career highs for him so far this season.

His turnovers are also up, but I wouldn’t be complaining if I were a New York fan. I’m excited to see him in action today & tomorrow.

Thank you, San Francisco!

by Newsinz on Nov 23, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

Chris Duhon had the same type of results in a Mike D'Antoni offense.

Is he’s a stud PG now, too? Pace and style inflate numbers for every player in that system.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Nov 23, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

As opposed to Felton's...

which are right at average?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Nov 24, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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