Charlotte Bobcats preview 2010-11
by David A. Arnott on Oct 11, 2010 9:53 AM EDT
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Print2009-10 Record: 44-38
Key Losses: Raymond Felton, Tyson Chandler
Key Additions: Tyrus Thomas, Shaun Livingston, Kwame Brown, Matt Carroll
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What significant moves were made during the off-season?
The Charlotte Bobcats have spent the past two seasons under Larry Brown building up for... something. In the most optimistic light, they've been adding talent, whenever they could acquire it, in order to gain credibility in the local sports scene, build up a fan base more quickly, and perhaps get good enough to make noise in the playoffs until they get lucky in the draft and land a franchise player or two. The pessimist (cynic?) would say that Brown is merely trying to gild his legacy with an end-career "turnaround", bringing a team from the throes of expansion to the playoffs and leaving them on supposedly solid footing -- only to have everyone realize after it's too late to do anything about it that he'd mortgaged the next three years on two years of middling success.
As always, it's probably more complicated than that.
This off-season, the Cats let Raymond Felton depart via free agency, and traded away Tyson Chandler. Had either stayed, he would almost certainly have been a starter. To replace them, the Cats are probably going to end up starting D.J. Augustin at point guard and run a committee of Nazr Mohammed, Kwame Brown, DeSagana Diop, and Boris Diaw at center. If that makes your spine shiver, you're probably a Bobcats fan.
It's pretty clear the Cats wanted someone else to replace Felton, as they were linked to Chris Paul, Jose Calderon, and Devin Harris in trade rumors, but none were consummated, leaving Augustin and a still-recovering Shaun Livingston at the point. It remains to be seen what kind of effect Brown's clear distaste for point guards with Augustin's skill set will have on the team.
At center, Diaw is probably the best all around player on the roster with experience matching up against the other centers in the league, and playing him there would give more playing time to Tyrus Thomas, but it's hard to imagine that Thomas's impressive defense and rebounding at power forward would make up for the probable matchup nightmare Diaw against Lopez-Duncan-Shaq-Bynum-Noah-anyone-with-real-size would be. Thus, Nazr Mohammed and Kwame Brown will probably share the bulk of the minutes at center, and Diaw will play during crunch time, when his offensive versatility might outweigh his defensive deficiencies.
What are the team's biggest strengths?
Defense. Lots of it. The Bobcats can throw out a lineup of Livingston, Stephen Jackson, Gerald Wallace, Thomas, and whichever center they choose, and have four lockdown on-ball defenders. Add to that Larry Brown's commitment to defense and the players' demonstrated ability to work together at that end of the court, and the Cats will likely be in the running for best defense in the league.
What are the team's biggest weaknesses?
They'll have to play incredible defense just to keep up, because the Bobcats' offense is atrocious. I'd like to see them play a totally defensive-oriented style, simply because the personnel they have lend themselves to that, but we're going to see plenty of Mohammed, Augustin, Diaw, and Derrick Brown because without them, the team's offense would be historically bad. Jackson and Thomas have put up apparently-impressive PPG numbers in the past, but those were fueled by high volumes of shot attempts. Augustin's rookie year showed he could shoot with deadly accuracy from distance, but he completely fell off the cliff last year and will have to prove he can play Larry Brown's style -- point guards don't score -- to get real playing time. Gerald Wallace had a monster season in 2009-10, but he's still a defense-first wingman, and it'll be pretty shocking if he maintains his scoring efficiency from last season.
All that's to say that Stephen Jackson is the team's most potent scoring threat. Yikes.
What are the goals for the team?
After failing to land a proven point guard and trading away a halfway decent center in the process (one who played with Team USA this summer), making the playoffs seems like a pretty long shot. Based on thousands of votes tallied on this site in late summer, fans seem to think the Cats will be fighting with the Knicks and Wizards for the final two playoff spots.
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I truly hope you are wrong.
But assessing the roster at this point in time leaves one with no choice but to agree that you are right.
But you may still be proven wrong the same way you were last season – not because of bad assessment, but because of roster upgrades through the trade market. Let’s face it, the arrival of Jackson at the 12 game mark last season instantly rendered all pre-season prognostications moot. I doubt the front office has any rabbits that large they can pull out of the hat this season, but we really aren’t all that far away from dramatic improvement. (Why did I suddenly get an image of Michael Jordan as Bullwinkle, turning to Higgins as Rocky and saying, “No doubt about it. I gotta get another hat!”)
We made great progress this year but ultimately what the team achieved was to swap “ifs.” Last season it was, “If Felton’s play isn’t a fluke….” “If Chandler can play healthy,” and “If Coach Brown can get them playing the right way” we could have a .500 season.
This season we have, “IF Augustin can play to potential,” “If Kwame can play healthy,” and “If Brown’s system really IS the right way” we could be back in the playoffs.
That’s to go along with questions about trade possibilities that swirl around the Bobcats like stoners at a Phish concert and the doe-eyed hope that the players we picked up (Kwame, Critts, Collins, etc) do what they’ve never really done before – achieve what the drafting scouts saw that made them seem so valuable in the first place.
Once again we proceed into the season with more questions and dreams than realities. Perhaps instead of the “Charlotte Biscuits” a more suitable name change would be the "Charlotte “Ifcats.”
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 11, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions
I still like the Biscuits
better yet, change it to the “Charlotte Bojangles Cajun Fillet Biscuits with a side of Bo-rounds” and you have pretty much the best team never ever.
So it would be...
Gotta needa getta hava wanna eata Charlotte Bojangles Cajun FIlet Biscuit with Dirty Rice. It’ll rock the box score scrawl at the bottom of Sportcenter, that’s for sure!
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by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 11, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait for it?
I’m hoping that’s what I need to do…
Center is the biggest concern on my wish list…that and let Matt Rogers be the diamond in the rough phenom that can springboard us in the paint…
Haven’t seen him play yet, so I will
Wait for it
Wait for it™
Why are you always such a downer, David?
… Brown is merely trying to gild his legacy with an end-career “turnaround”, bringing a team from the throes of expansion to the playoffs and leaving them on supposedly solid footing — only to have everyone realize after it’s too late to do anything about it that he’d mortgaged the next three years on two years of middling success
When looking at all aspects of the roster, from talent to payroll and and all points in between, it is impossible to say that the LB years have not dramatically improved the team.
I hope your pessimistic view is just a case of you playing devil’s advocate, because i find it so far from reality of what we’ve seen transpire over the last two years within the organization.
That's just it dudeman.
We’ve seen wondrous things over the past two years and management has reversed many of the early mistakes made by Johnson’s organizational team.
What we did in the trade market was amazing last season. But it happened once the season was already underway.
David is taking a snapshot of the team as it exists right now and it’s pretty accurate imo. We stand a good chance of duplicating our playoff appearance as things stand but not much hope of fighting past the first round. We’re closer than ever before to being at least contenders for a conference title, but we’re still at least on player away – especially if that player is 6’ 11" or so. We all know that the front office is working hard to improve the roster and I’m confident that they’ll do it before the season really gets going. But they haven’t done it yet.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 11, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is this:
Even if no further trades go down this season, the team is in much, much better shape than they were just a couple of seasons ago — talent wise and financially.
There is a certain contingent of folks (not just Bobcats fans) that will always bad mouth LB and make him into an egomaniac. I, for one, certainly do not see any of the recent roster moves as a mortgaging of the teams future for immediate mediocrity.
There will be a trade - this is Larry Brown's team
The trade will likely be a good one.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Oct 11, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You cut out all the context before that passage. I’m just saying…
by David A. Arnott on Oct 11, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough crowd
quoting out of context makes for exciting news…
Wait for it™
by andrewlail76 on Oct 11, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't quote you out of context at all
I even said i hoped your “pessimistic view” was playing devil’s advocate.
The thing is, this is a Bobcats fan blog. And you always want to play that “i’m being realistic and objective” card. But your “objectivity” just comes across negativity.
Does anyone really believe this team is not in a far better position (in every aspect ) than it was before MJ & LB took over?
You did quote him out of context
Before the passage you cut and pasted, DA gave an optimistic view of the team and then the pessimistic view. When I read it, I interpreted it as the writer presenting both sides of the argument before getting into the meat of the story.
yeah, i'm not stupid - he presented an optimistic and pessimistic view. Only an idiot with no reading comprehension skills would not be able to see that.
That’s why i said, I hope david was just playing devil’s advocate with his pessimistic view, because the first one he presented is more in tune with reality.
Whats the point in even presenting the pessimistic view? I can only see two reasons for doing so: 1) he’s playing devil’s advocate (which is what i suggested), or 2) he really thinks that LB has mortgaged the team’s future for some immediate (but short lived) success.
David could have clarified and said, “Yeah, just playing devil’s advocate.” But instead he accused me of taking his quote out of context…which is not true at all. In both of my posts i called it his “pessimistic view”.
But considering the track record of the head blogger in charge here, it’s just as likely that he really does subscribe to his own cynical take on the team. If he wants to be ambiguous and not say what he really thinks, that’s his prerogative. But i’ll end this by quoting myself and actually stating an opinion rather than waxing philosophical on both sides of the coin :
I, for one, certainly do not see any of the recent roster moves as a mortgaging of the teams future for immediate mediocrity.
The Playoffs
are real high hopes for this team as its constructed right now. Give this team a legit PG and I’d change my tune real quick… but as it stands, I would wager the Cats finishing 10th or 11th in the east right now
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Oct 11, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
I think 7th or 8th seed is realistic.
We will get Kwame up and running at some point and should be fairly solid. It’s when we dig into the bench that the real trouble starts. Even using Nazr as the starting center – he’s as good as anyone else in the slot provided his minutes don’t pile up. In the current state of the team they can contend and they can threaten, they just can’t win a playoff series without a decidedly lucky draw.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 11, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Something along those lines, yes.
Wouldn’t it be nice though if we were able to crush the hopes of the NJ Nets in the playoffs – with Melo of course – and leave NJ with sour grapes memories before the team becomes the Brooklyn Muscovites or the New York Commies?
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by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 11, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so
but the problem is once you start relying on Kwame Brown doing, well, anything you need to sit back and reassess. I think once you get outside Jackson and Wallace it gets difficult. Diaw is hit and miss… and Thomas I’ll believe when I see it (consistently).
alot of teams in the east got better. This team didn’t.. at all. It is unquestionably a worse team than last year.
I think you have the top 6; miami, boston, orlando, atlanta, milwakee and chicago (not in any order). After that it does get questionable but I could see NY and Indiana. If NJ is able to trade for Carmelo…..
I don’t know.. I hope I’m wrong, but I won’t hang my hat on this team in the playoffs… atleast until I see a solid PG.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Oct 11, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're harshin' a bit.
“Unquestionably worse” is not only questionable, but very debatable. In what way are we worse?
We lost Tyson Chandler – who was out a very large chunk of last season with injuries anyway. No true loss there.
We decided to let Raymond Felton go. There’s no doubt about it, that one hurt. I understand the reasons, but it still hurts on several levels. Many of us here predicted (myself included) that once Ray got out from under the rigid structure of Larry Brown that he would have a tough go of it and the NY press is already hammering him and saying he can’t adjust to the faster pace of Knicks basketball. On that level, Raymond lost too. I hope he rises to the challenges he’s facing, but had he stayed in Charlotte he would have been a solid top 10 point guard instead of a rather large question mark.
DJ Augustin has the talent to be a decent point guard but unfortunately he’s also shown that he has a tendency to knuckle under the pressures of NBA expectations. Our other options are even bigger problem children so I will concede we took a hit at the one.
However, the nucleus of the team remains solid and this is reallyt he first season they will be together from opening day. It took a bit of time for them to gel but we steadily improved as the season went on and had some momentum leading up to the playoffs. We won’t have to recover from a large deficit while the team adjusts to the learning curve this season. We should be able to play .500 ball this season barring injury and if we manage to bring in either a solid point guard or a center with solid defensive skills we could conceivable do much better than .500. This team isn’t going to stun the league, but I do believe the potential is there to surprise quite a few people.
Nonetheless, we may not be a hell of a lot better on opening day than we were at the end of last season, but we aren’t any worse. If anything, we’ve remained about the same while other teams in the division improved and some became weaker.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 11, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
how is this team not worse
if for all intents and purposes its the same minus Felton and Chandler (two starters)
Your right… Chandler didn’t play a lot. But isn’t some Chandler still better than more Nazr?
And I agree, never thought Felton was anything special (although a great defender), but still a better choice than anything here right now. We can talk about potential and talent (ie. Augistine) all we want but until they show it on the court, on a regular basis, its meaningless. There is a list of players with talent and potential out the wazoo.
two starters have been lost, with players who are not (or atleast have not) proven to be better. I can’t see anyway this team is just as good as last year.
Like I said I hope I’m wrong, but without some more moves this is going to be a frustrating season in Charlotte.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Oct 11, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny.
Last night I had a dream that in a fit of buyer’s remorse NY traded Felton back to us for Augustin, and Diaw. There were a couple of other players involved, but in this league stranger things have happened.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 11, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to agree
Right now, I think we’re a little bit worse than the team we had at the end of the year. Not any major differences in the 2, 3, or 4 but here is the breakdown at the 1 and the 5.
PG: Felton > Livingston
C: Chandler/Ratliff > Kwame
I’m pretty concerned right now too but like the rest of you, believe some of these weaknesses will eventually be addressed. If the roster stays as is, we will really struggle to make the playoffs.
by Bring Back Primoz on Oct 11, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the folk that are saying the Cats may miss the playoffs are really overestimating the strengths of the Cats' peers
I would be very surprised to see Charlotte miss the playoffs.
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by Julius Coxswain on Oct 11, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, it's definitely a long season
But I don’t think a team with major question marks at the 1 and the 5 are a certainty to make the playoffs. Like Ourday said in another thread, this team has a whole lot of “ifs” right now. I think we’re 50/50 to make the playoffs as constructed. If Wallace or Jackson gets hurt, we won’t win a game.
by Bring Back Primoz on Oct 11, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
you know
every other team in the east is saying that to…. (ie. we can make the playoffs because the rest of the teams are so weak). Unfortunately alot of those teams got better (not all)… this one didn’t.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Oct 13, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmmmmm...........
Well, the Nets are better. Can’t get much worse with 12 wins. Still aren’t playoff caliber. The Knicks, who knows if they are better are not? Sure, they picked up Felton, Stat, and Randolph, but they lost Harrington, Lee, and damn near their whole roster from last year. Don’t really think they are there yet. The Pacers? They picked up D.C., but lost Troy Murphy to do it and don’t really have a replacement for him yet with all the injuries to T.H. Philadelphia will remain in their mediocrity despite the coaching change and the drafting of Evan Turner. Him and Iggy are the same player. And the Wizards? Pshhhhhhhh. The Raptors and Cavs speak for themselves with Cleveland possibly being decent enough. But just because all of these teams improved in some spots, doesn’t mean they improved in all. John Wall can’t save Washington.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Oct 13, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
We lost 1 starter, not 2
Even when coming back from injury, Chandler did not start. We lost a solid contributor at best with him. Just because a player should start based on talent/size/athleticism doesn’t mean he’s a starter. And Chandler wasn’t.
When was Chandler a starter?
Theo Ratliff was our starter and got most of our minutes at the 5. Chandler was basically a high energy role player when we actually did have him last year. Much like Big Baby in Boston. Combine that with the fact that when he did get in there he picked up a foul every thirty seconds and Chandler really contributed almost NOTHING to the season last year except for another big body to throw at Howard in the playoffs. As for Felton, c’mon man. I know he was the starter here and Larry loved him and that makes people think that he’s great, but last year was the FIRST halfway-decent year for him. Every other year, he was a turnover machine in crucial situations. Last year, he still had some of those moments, but it was the FIRST time that he did more good than bad. And then the playoffs came around. And Jameer ate his LUNCH!!! And then you know what happened? Rondo ate Jameer’s LUNCH!!! Now I know it doesn’t always work out like this because match-ups are different, but I would’ve hated to have to see Ray go up against Rondo in a 7 game series. That would’ve been hard to watch as a Bobcats fan. So we need an upgrade at the point before we take steps forward. Locking up Felton would’ve kept us in his mediocrity for another few years. I’m glad we let him go. Just because D.J. didn’t play a lot last year, don’t think he’s garbage. He’ll be as good as Larry Brown allows him to be on the offensive end. Ya know, the area we actually need help in?
by Charlotte Bobcat on Oct 12, 2010 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions
You right… Chandler wasn’t ‘the starter’ (although he did start a third of the season). Either way its irrelevant. He was the better of the 3. Chandler > Nazr/Kwame… therefore a downgrade.
“As for Felton, c’mon man” and “Just because D.J. didn’t play a lot last year, don’t think he’s garbage”
I never complimented Felton him (other than his D). Like I said he is nothing special. And I never said DJ was garbage… I just said he hasn’t proven anything yet. Until he does anything on a consistent basis Felton > Augustine/Livingston therefore a downgrade.
Not that hard to believe this team is worse than last year.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Oct 13, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
A man is worth only as much as they play.
Chandler wasn’t worth a damn thing because of his inability to stay healthy. We pretty much got to the playoffs without him, so again, I think you’re overvaluing him quite a bit. I know he’s been on the Olympic team and all of that, but, it’s still Tyson Chandler. Hands like Frying Pans Chandler. I really don’t miss him. Sure, he’s better than Nazr and Kwame in playing defense, but he’s one of the worst, if not the worst center in the league at scoring and rebounding. He and Diaw are soft as mush which is why Crash had to call them out. Just because a player has the most skill and abillity doesn’t mean he’s going to contribute the most. Chandler has absolutely no post game, and that’s really the area we are lacking in. I actually trust Nazr more.
And after D.J.‘s rookie season, everyone expected him to supplant Felton as the starter. But because he doesn’t play “Larry Brown ball”, he got benched and lost his confidence last year. That doesn’t take away his talent. Felton is probably a better player for this system, but I’m not that convinced that Felton is a better player than D.J. D.J. is a better ball handler, shooter, and penetrator than Felton. Felton is a better distributor, defender, and has more size. I can see why a drop off is expected, but don’t be surprised if we actually improve.
And you’re right, it’s not hard to believe this team is worst than last year, but you’re not adding in all of the other facts. You’re not paying attention to the fact that we started the year 3-8 before we acquired Jackson. So, let’s add his presence in. Tyrus Thomas was acquired at the dead line, greatly improving our team and looked at as part of the future core, so let’s add him in. Throw in the fact that Chandler missed most of the year, and we had all these new players (Ratliff and Hughes included) and it’s somewhat amazing we were able to rebound to win 44 games and become the 7th seed, especially considering how the team had NO CLUE on how to play on the road (which they greatly improved over the last 3rd of the season) So, let’s add a training camp for all of these new guys to jell with eachother to all of that success on last year and I think you can see where I’m coming from. I think a lot of you still have a sour taste in your mouth about the Orlando series and think that the team is just plain garbage. No. Up until like the last week, we were in contention with Milwaukee and Miami for fifth in the East. This team’s success doesn’t depend on Felton’s sporadic ass or Chandler’s non-post game having ass, it depends on the health of Gerald Wallace, how much self-control Stephen Jackson has, Tyrus Thomas’ ability to play REAL BASKETBALL, Boris’ willingness to take a shot when needed, and Larry Brown’s willingness to let D.J. be D.J.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Oct 13, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I absolutely agree with most of your post.
I would disagree with your comment about Chandler potentially being the worst center in the league when it comes to scoring and rebounding. Amongst starting centers, if he could be considered such having started less than a third of the games due to injuries, I would agree. But every time I glance at our bench and see Diop parked on it I’m certain I’m seeing the league’s worst center in the two categories.
Otherwise your assessment is spot-on. I think many have forgotten that it wasn’t until the last few games of the season that it became certain we wouldn’t achieve a higher seeding, avoiding Orlando entirely. Our first round opponents were without a doubt the worst possible matchup for us at the time.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 13, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, it's funny that you point that out,
because I actually meant to put (besides Diop) after I said Chandler was the worst offensive center. I don’t know how I forgot that part.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Oct 13, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets do the John Wall!
reminds ne if the 08 team
i think thy went to the world series
by The Juicer on Sep 8, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully
SOME sort of trade or something will happen. I just can’t shake off the feeling that this is going to be a downgrade from our decent success last year.
sorry but i think jackson isnt that great
he shoots so many times he is bound to hit a few. in my opinion i think if we let matt carrol shoot as much as he wanted to he could score just as much. jackson is a good all round player but i think he shouldnt shoot as much
by Bobcatsfan24 on Oct 11, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Carroll cannot create his own shot
Thus, he would not be able to get off as many shots as Jackson. Stephen has his flaws, but saying Carroll could put up Jackson’s numbers if given the chance is crazy. Carroll is a career bench player for a reason.
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by Julius Coxswain on Oct 11, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
No offense to Matt, esp since he was one of my favorite Bobcats, but to speak about his basketball skills in the same sentence as Jax is outlandish.
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by Ben Swanson on Oct 11, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
However, I would like to take some time to reminisce on the season that Matt Carroll lead the league in four point plays. That’s proof of a skilled shooter with savvy for punishing overzealous defenders. I think he can be a good bench contributor this year and an upgrade on Flip.
What I am saying is Jackson isn't the problem
The Bobcats just don’t have any other scoring option. So Jackson has his flaws yes, but these flaws would be less noticeable if the Cats actually had a #1 option. Jackson is a great second option.
Sorry Tyrus Thomas you don’t cut it
Jackson is fine at a first option and Gerald is great as a second.
The problem is, when you have guys like that who aren’t elite scorers but get the job done, you need everyone on the team to hold their own. I know D.J. can put points on the board, so he’s not a concern. We are really going to need some solid production at the 5 this year and for Boris and Tyrus to really do all they can from the post.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Oct 13, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Seen in Turkey
I was in Turkey for the World Championships. Izmir (French national team’s qualification round) and then Istanbul (knock-out rounds).
Tyson Chandler was among the weakest centers there. Incapable of anything at all on attack, and slow — but TALL — on defense. I cannot think he is a great loss to the ’Cats.
Boris would have been the best 3/4 in the competition… if Linas Kliéza (Lithuania) hadn’t been there! When Boris is motivated (yes, yes, it DOES sometimes happen!) he can dominate a game completely — controlling both ends of the floor.
And then there was Kevin Durant. Oh, my! … Oh, MY!! So far above everyone else in that competition. I very much doubt that the US would have been competitive without Durant… but with him…
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