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Bobcats Hold Off Bulls 113-108

To paraphrase the immortal Lou Brown, first the Bobcats beat the Heat, then they beat the Cavaliers, now they've beaten the Chicago Bulls, 113-108. (BOX SCORE) That's called a winning streak. It has happened before.

This not being on TV thing is killing me, especially since (shame of shames) my laptop is too weak to reasonably stream YouTube videos, let alone League Pass. But enough about me. How did the Cats manage to win despite giving up 51% shooting from the field and 44% from three? Highlights and lowlights after the jump.

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BAD

-- Two of the Bulls' guards, Derrick Rose and John Salmons, led the way and weren't really contained. It's a bit concerning that a quick point guard would torch the Cats this way, seeing as Rose is of a type off the dribble, like Brandon Jennings and Rajon Rondo, all on teams that could either stand in the Bobcats' path to the playoffs or that could meet the Cats in the postseason. (Maybe Will Bynum has simply scarred me.) As for Salmons, he's normally a jump shooter, so it appears that the threes were simply falling for him, and there likely wasn't anything our guys could really do about it.

-- Gerald Henderson is getting railroaded. There's no other way to put it. If he were on any other team, he'd be playing, getting valuable NBA game experience, and absolutely not at the expense of his team's present-day goals. It's a shame we have to watch it unfold in real time.

GOOD

-- Gerald Wallace will not be denied. In 44 minutes, he scored 32 on 16 attempts from the field, and he grabbed 9 rebounds. He was also 11-12 from the line!

-- Boris Diaw had 5 blocks and 6 assists. Maybe he only scored 5 points. Maybe he turned it over 3 times. Maybe he had only 4 rebounds. And maybe a lot of that was stacked toward the start of the game and he was mostly Same Old Boris the rest of the time. But at least it appears he's concentrating on the parts of the game that make him unique and valuable. When he plays solid defense and commits to creating for others on offense, he's at his most useful.

-- Ronald Murray, ladies and gentlemen! Do we have to put a moratorium on referring to Flip as "streaky"? I mean, he is, but it's still kind of understatement. How else do you explain this guy going off for 25 points on 12 attempts from the field?

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David, it's clear as rain on Henderson.

He’s a draft bust. If Flip Murray and Stephen Graham are better. He needs to be traded away asap. cough, cough

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by Aisander D on Jan 5, 2010 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

Boobcats

So thanx to what could only be a glitch in NBA League Pass, I switched it on this evening to find that HOLY CRAP, I could still watch the basketball game, I don’t pay for league pass so I don’t know how I got so lucky. Anyways, so I thought we played pretty inspired ball tonight, but we just didn’t seem to want to put it away. Everytime we had a chance to just put them away in the 2nd and 3rd we seemed to mess up. Everytime we stole the ball it was lost out of bounds or stolen back or a bad pass was thrown. When I saw the stats I was quite suprised the Cats only had 14 Turnovers. To answer your question about why we gave up such numbers, it was because we chose to play an uptempo game against a team who played last night and did not rest. I guess it seems it almost backfired, since they ended up playing so well. I agree that Derrick Rose is something to be concerned about, he had 3 uncontested drives to the lane in a row, and would have had a fourth had they not called an offensive foul on him. GOOD WIN THOUGH!

by nibletodell on Jan 5, 2010 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

I Think...

and im just streaming my thoughts together:

Tyson may very well be an achilles heel (no pun intended) to this team. i wouldnt say that he slows down the offense, but he does create turnovers way too often for a C. im not saying we should trade him (and if we could for a cheep back up PF and maybe cash—if not, a pick?), but he should probably get lesser minutes than usual. lets face it, as well as he may play defense, hes not exactly a force.
my high school—hell, i have better post offense than Tyson. lets hope he finds this out.

i know im going to get heat over this, but knowing that both DJ and Raymond most likely be here next year, im leaning towards the “keep Raymond IF he doesnt want 9mill” side. i know very well what DJ is capable of doing, yet, hes not doing that this year. i know Raymond has his dinks, but he is a better facilitator and he does give us size defensively. the new-found combination of Crash ’n Jax (which to me sounds like a ridiculously amazing cereal) has sparked a Felton renaissance. it really keeps him inside of his field of play (skill-wise)

dont trade Boris unless we are receiving cap relief. Crash ’n Jax are now the pillars of our offense and even though he may no longer produce as well as he has in the past, he does stretch the court offensively. i wouldnt expect Boris to average 10 and 5, but i will take 6 and 5 assists. he keeps the ball moving and—on good nights—he doesnt turn it over that much.

ill stop now. keep up the work cats!

--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)

by StudMuffin15 on Jan 5, 2010 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

He has a point, and it's frustrating.

Not sure what else fits in the negative bullets for this game, and one cannot have a single bullet per category, it’s simply bad etiquette.

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by Aisander D on Jan 6, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

It's mostly only frustrating for people who believe in the mythical youth movement that the Bobcats "need"

While I agree that on principle Henderson should see more minutes, I’m mostly interested in seeing the team play good ball.

by and1droid on Jan 6, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I think David's and our overstated point....

is that those two things are not mutually exclusive. Especially with the likes of Stephen Graham in the game. So tonight I don’t think there was much to complain about, because LB was getting good minutes out of everybody (save Diaw) on the floor.

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by Aisander D on Jan 6, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that Henderson in the game is not mutually exclusive with watching good basketball

I just think it’s an exaggeration to say that Henderson is not being developed as a player right now. The guy is young, athletic, and has several years ahead of him in this league.

by and1droid on Jan 6, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

It's also kind of silly to state that every other team in the league would be giving him serious playing time

That’s just unfounded poppy cock. That’s just complaining because you want something to complain about.

by and1droid on Jan 6, 2010 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far.

I think there is anecdotal evidence and some minutes per game data that show other teams playing their first round pick with greater regularity and consistency. Would everyone of those teams be playing Henderson? Not necessarily, but I think more than anything people are just itching to see what he’s capable of.

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by Aisander D on Jan 6, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

You could also argue that Henderson is a victim of circumstance

Henderson was drafted w/ the 2 guard being the most glaring team need. Then we sign Murray and Graham and trade for Jax at the start of the season. Jax and Murray just fell in our laps out of the blue. It’s not like the team planned to get them when they drafted Henderson.

I get the beef w/ Henderson not playing ahead of Graham. I can also acknowledge that Flip has put up some stinkers over the season that made me want to see Henderson put in the game. It’s hard to justify playing him ahead of Jax and Flip regularly though.

by and1droid on Jan 6, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we pretty much see eye to eye on this one.

I don’t think either David or I are arguing that Henderson should be playing ahead of Flip or Jax, but merely that it would be prudent to give him around 10 minutes a game on a consistent basis. Hopefully those minutes would be coming from Stephen Graham and maybe a smidge out of Flip (especially if he’s laying one of his eggs).

More than anything I am just personally frustrated at not seeing Henderson at all. It’s been literally 6-7 straight games of DNP-CDs for him, and I just really want to see what he’s capable of doing against NBA competition.

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by Aisander D on Jan 6, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

We are all on that page

G Henderson isn’t a starter…just should be the option before Graham and on a “Bad Flip” night.

He is a victim of circumstance, but if he’s going to be part of the future of the team…some playing time (more than 2 to 0 minutes) would be good.

by andrewlail76 on Jan 6, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well David's mostly just griping because of the UNC/Duke bias that almost everyone seems to take on this blog

At least that’s my suspicion. Can’t we just be neutral on that issue? I know everyone’s going to say that they don’t care, but it’s pretty evident that several people do.

by and1droid on Jan 6, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2009.html

Sort by minutes played. Of drafted players who have gotten at least 1 minute of NBA playing time this season, there are 7 guys who have gotten fewer minutes than Henderson. There are 32 who are getting more minutes. That’s not including any undrafted randoms who might be floating around out there. That’s not including the injured Blake Griffin, who will get that many minutes in two weeks when he gets back. This is not a situation where he’s blocked, like Patrick Mills. All I’m saying is Stephen Graham’s minutes should go to Brown and Henderson, and a few of Crash ‘n Jax’s minutes should go to those two. It’s insane to play our two wings 42 minutes per night and expect them to hold up the whole season. Henderson and Brown could be playing, say, Eric Maynor’s minutes, and it would at least be understandable. Or are you saying Jerry Sloan was wrong to play Maynor as much as he did with Deron Williams there? And Scott Brooks is crazy to play him as much as he does with Russell Westbrook around? They can play. They deserve to play. It’s in the team’s best interests to see what they can do. They’d be playing mostly at the expense of a semi-D-League-caliber journeyman who doesn’t belong in the NBA. There is no reason to keep them glued to the bench.

by David A. Arnott on Jan 6, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

You start of making sense, but then you go into crazy sports guy rant mode and start to lose me

1) The Utah Jazz, D. Williams and Eric Maynor represent a completely different situation than Henderson, Brown and the Bobcats. I have made no comment and do not care to comment on the Utah Jazz.. I have a pet peeve about people putting words in my mouth just to trump up some emotional exclamation point for their own argument. It doesn’t further your point of view so I would encourage you not to do it.

2) If all you said was “Graham’s minutes should go to Brown and Henderson” then I would have simply agreed w/ you, but that’s not what you said. You said Henderson was getting railroaded and that every other team in the league would play him more. I refer you to Asiander’s comments above for a more realistic interpretation of the circumstances.

3) The fact is that Graham has played about twice the minutes that Henderson has played and about 70 more total minutes than D. Brown. I would prefer the situation to be reversed. I’m simply taking issue w/ the hyperbole you’re displaying.

by and1droid on Jan 6, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

1 — It’s a very comparable situation. They could have gone out and gotten a Brevin Knight type and did not. They played the rookie. Hence, the comparison.

2 — Graham getting minutes instead of Henderson constitutes getting railroaded. Graham is not an NBA player. It’s inexcusable that he gets minutes ahead of both Henderson and Brown.

3 — It’s not hyperbole to say that every other coach has figured out how to give their rookies minutes and that it’s terrible to see Larry Brown glue Henderson and Brown to the bench even after they’ve shown they can do what the washout who plays ahead of them does. Maybe I’ve just got a more intense hatred of stupid illogical favoritism than you do, and it’s more important to me that they get a fair shake and don’t get stuck with the stink of failure through no fault of their own. Make no mistake: by sitting on the bench all through their first season, they’ll have a tougher road to respectability in the league than if they’d been getting real minutes, regardless of their actual talent.

by David A. Arnott on Jan 6, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

EXCELLENT

I couldn’t have said it better myself…

by andrewlail76 on Jan 6, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea there's NOTHING hyperbolic about this quote...

Maybe I’ve just got a more intense hatred of stupid illogical favoritism than you do, and it’s more important to me that they get a fair shake and don’t get stuck with the stink of failure through no fault of their own.

by and1droid on Jan 6, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobcats Lucky To Win

Boris Diaw Looks Like He Is Scared To Shoot The Ball, The Bobcats Were Up 11 Points And Should Have Put The Bulls Away But Didn’t? They Are Very Lucky To Win This Game.

by jayball on Jan 6, 2010 7:38 AM EST reply actions  

I don't want to jinx us

there is potential to build a decent winning streak in the next week or so. We have to go play the Knicks in NY, but I feel like we can beat them. After that, we’ve got several home games. This month is still a tough schedule for us though.

by Roger, Roger on Jan 6, 2010 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

A few observations

Commenting that the Bobcats were lucky to win this one states both the obvious and the subtle. Yes, it took a pair of missed three pointers to salvage this one and it should have been a foregone conclusion well before that. Anyone watching could see that. Hell, Ray Charles would have seen it. But those of us that “chat” here during the games are used to something very different. The biggest frustration, game after game, has been seeing the Bobcats hang in the thick of the game until the closing seconds only to find a way to lose in the last minute or so every… single… time. We’ve seen just about every combination of “almost” that this game provides. We’ve led the entire way only to get caught at the wire; we’ve fought from behind only to lose in the closing seconds… you get the idea. You can chalk last night’s win up to luck and you’d be right, but there was something different going on. Instead of a deer-in-the-headlights expression on the faces of the Bobcats last night, the five faces on the court wore looks of determination. Instead of the defeated “oh God here we go again” body language on the bench, there was keen interest and anticipation. As I said, it’s a subtle change, but it’s also significant. The Charlotte Bobcats are beginning to believe in themselves. They are starting to look at how they are going to pull out the win instead of assuming a bad bounce, iffy call, or turnover is going to bring them the latest loss.

It shows the most in the play of Flip Murray this week. He’s always been streaky but it seems to me it’s been because he doesn’t seem to be able to “get it up” for every game. It’s one thing for you and I to wake up in the morning and drag into work “just not feeling it” that day. We go through the motions, work the eight and hit the gate. But we expect more out of pro ballers and music stars. They get elite pay, only work part of the year, and live lives we can only fantasize about. In return we expect them to show up hungry and eager to give their all, without exception. Flip’s play has been inspired this week. I don’t think it’s because of any other reason except that winning is fun. The team is starting to get respect on a national level now and some of our players that have been mailing it in are starting to pick up a spring in the step and give a little more effort. Last week, in talking about this frustration I pointed out that the differential between wins and losses for the Bobcats was less than 1 point per game. We were that close. The small change of attitude that Flip and others are showing is a subtle thing. But it has been enough to start turning losses into wins. It’s started making US the lucky team instead of the ones leaving the court with hangdog looks on our faces. We now have signs of life from DJ, Flip is actually getting into position for more open looks, and Diop is taking shots without hesitating. Sadly, in the midst of this we have Tyson Chandler looking far too comfortable sitting behind the bench in a walking cast two weeks into what was supposed to be a one week injury. At no time does the camera catching him with an eager look on his face or anything resembling an urge to suit up. He reminds me of Corbin Bernsen’s character in Major League. Maybe LB needs to take a leak on Chandler’s contract or something. If he doesn’t want to do that, I’m willing to volunteer. The line forms to the right guys.

I really think it’s time to consider packaging Henderson up and seeing what, if anything, we can get for him. In this league a rookie only gets two seasons to prove his value. After that it’s option time. Henderson isn’t getting anything near enough minutes thus far to either show his potential or buld his skills. The only reason I can think of is that LB is seeing something in practice that he really doesn’t like. Brown has a tendency to underutilize rookies, but even Derrick Brown is getting enough minutes (barely) to excite the fans about his play. There’s something about Gerald Henderson specifically that we don’t know about. It could be an unfair bias on Brown’s part, but it’s looking more and more as if Gerald is simply going to be a write-off. I think it’s time to accept the fact that for some unknown reason we are the only team in the NBA with a potentially gifted rookie as our 12th man.

Nonetheless, if we can get the win we should in NY tomorrow night we’ll match our longest streak of the season and come home for a stretch that has the potential to take us over .500 for the first time this season. The schedule lines up so that if we play well and win the majority of games on the homestand we could be as high as the 5 seed before we hit “THE WALL” out West at the start of February. Let’s enjoy the ride while the engine’s running smooth. I think we all know that there’s more frustration on the long horizon and the looks of defeat and desperation we’re so used to seeing will return. Right now it’s fun being a Bobcats fan. It’s far from “cool” yet, but at least people aren’t laughing quite so hard. This is a good thing.

by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 6, 2010 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

Is it cause he was a Dookie...

that he is glued to the bench?
No way he’s a bust…but as much as he’s sitting…he has to be getting rusty…
How about a Henderson vs Jordan 1 on 1 best of 3 series for playing time?

by andrewlail76 on Jan 6, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I think if anything Hendo and Jordan are hitting the links together

And can almost bet that Henderson’s a better golfer, which probably pissed Jordan off, who informed LB, who signed Stephen-freaking-Graham.

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by Aisander D on Jan 6, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Probably way more truth to that than I care to think about

by andrewlail76 on Jan 6, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I like DJ's skill set and what he brings to the team

But that guy has got to put on some muscle and gain some lower body strength. He is a defensive liability against pretty much any PG who hits the weights. I don’t expect him to turn into a Pocket Hercules overnight, but he has to at least be able to slow bigger guards down a little. Rose was giving DJ the drugs last night.

Michael Irr is the Bobcats’ Strength and Conditioning coach. I would really like to know what he does to help Ajinca and DJ.

"I could never be a thug, they don't dress this well." - Malice

by Julius Coxswain on Jan 6, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

You guys are wild...

"I could never be a thug, they don't dress this well." - Malice

by Julius Coxswain on Jan 6, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

You did write "Rose was giving DJ the drugs last night."

Best line ever. Now who is wild?

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by Aisander D on Jan 6, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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