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Bobcats Fall to Hawks 103-89

These things happen. The Bobcats lost to the Hawks in Atlanta, 103-89, and the game was hardly ever in question. Sure, there was a brief period late in the first half when it looked like the Cats might make a run and eventually knock off the home team, but those hopes were stifled in the third quarter, when Charlotte was outscored by 14. Then the Cats sort of kind of made a late-fourth run before the Hawks revved the engine again and took care of business.

We can talk all we want about the Cats' defensive shortcomings on this particular night, but the story I'm sure is most pressing to many of you is Raymond Felton's injury situation. Felton left the game near the end of the first quarter with a nasty-looking ankle turn. After writhing on the floor for a while, he was helped to the locker room. Though he would eventually make his way back to the bench, he did not play the rest of the night, and I imagine there's a very good chance he will not play tomorrow night at home against the Orlando Magic.

The solution to the problem of an absent Felton is to play D.J. Augustin at point guard, which is hardly a controversial opinion. However, I suspect we'll have a battle of ideas over how many minutes he should get at PG, since Larry Brown will likely be tempted to give minutes to Ronald Murray at the point, and we don't know how long Felton will be out, if at all.

Felton's dramatic improvement this season has been a welcome surprise, but it hardly kills the Cats' season to lose him for an extended period, not nearly like losing Gerald Wallace would. Augustin can do more on offense than Felton can, but Felton is the far better defender and has reinvented himself as a less-is-more court general on offense. It's not likely D.J. will match Felton's production, but 1) he's perfectly capable of matching or exceeding that production, 2) especially if the Cats shift the burden of creating offense to Jax and Diaw, like both those guys want, letting D.J. bring the ball up the floor, create a little, and be essentially a shooting guard the rest of the time, and 3) Augustin will almost certainly benefit personally and, thus, provide a long term benefit to the team from an extended run at point guard.

Highlights and lowlights after the jump.

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GAME THREAD QUOTES (Still trying to figure out the best way to highlight the best of what readers bring to the table...)

Ourdaywillcome: "At no time did Charlotte lose their cool. They played the entire [first] half like it was all part of their plan. No shakiness, no breakdowns and turnovers. They’re playing with some major maturity."

PanthersFTW: "Apparently Josh Smith's presence alone makes teams miss dunks."

Stevarino: "How is it possible that Diaw has played almost 35 minutes and he has the same number of points that I have?"

MR. MANN: "damn... i thought we were gonna win out the rest of the season"

BAD

-- The Hawks shot over 50% from the field. Surprisingly, ATL wasn't that good from three, under 30% (and that's with Jamal Crawford's unconscious 5-8 from three), but they made up for it with their inside scoring and only 12 turnovers for the game, compared to 17 for the Bobcats.

-- Stevarino got it right: Boris simply couldn't score tonight. I mean, he even missed a dunk! Zero points is a sorry showing, even if it's accompanied by 5 assists.

-- Seriously, Gerald Henderson only got 3 and a half minutes?

GOOD

-- Gerald Wallace is still The Man. 25 points on 12 attempts is the kind of thing that happens when you get 13 free throw attempts, and he tied for the team lead with 6 boards. All. Star. Game.

-- Flip Murray had an excellent game as a creator, though I doubt this is the kind of thing he can repeat regularly, should Felton be out for a while. He scored 11 points on 9 attempts, but also dished 9 assists.

-- Man, I love me some Derrick Brown. He only got 12 minutes this time around, but the guy is proving again and again that he deserves to play and would have deserved to play even if VladRad were still around. He's the total package of defense and offense, and at absolute worst, he'll be a rotation player for years.

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Sorry to start another Felton controversy, but...

But how can “Augustin do more on offense than Felton”? He was a good outside shooter last year, playing often 2 guard. Is there another reason? Because to me (insert felton lover joke here) Felton has been looked very strong on offense as of late.

Any chance Feltons absence had anything to do with this loss? I couldnt see most the game, so not implying anything… just curious

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by southtunnel on Jan 22, 2010 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

We looked helpless when DJ took over at PG

so LB probably wont give him any more playing time than what he’s getting right now. DJ’s a sixth man at best.

by Shockers on Jan 23, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Felton's absence factor

The Hawks were handling us pretty well even prior to Raymond’s injury. We made 2 serious runs at the Hawks – first to close the first half, and the second at the midpoint of the fourth quarter. If Raymond could have made a real difference anywhere it would have been during that second run. After some terribly awkward finishes at the beginning of the season, Raymond Felton has developed into someone who plays his most dangerous minutes at the close of a game. His distribution remains crisp, but he also displays a fearlessness in the lanes and isn’t afraid to charge the basket against the biggest and baddest in the league. Early in the season this was his dead zone. He’d charge in and simply get swallowed up. But since about mid-November, Raymond has started dropping in a lot of points that way. It gives defenders fits because they never know if he’s going to dish or drive with the ball. Once we got the lead down to single digits, a healthy Felton would have kicked into SuperRay mode and it might have been enough to sustain the momentum instead of having it peter out with 4 minutes to go.

We’ll never know if that’s really what would have happened (obviously) but that last stretch in the closing minutes was when I really noticed his absence. Jax and Crash may be the main threats and momentum players for the team, but IMO it’s Felton that truly orchestrates our runs when we’re behind and our newfound ability to close teams out in the 4th quarter.

by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 23, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, DJ doesn't compare to Felton this year

I hope DJ can get his game together. Felton is far better than DJ is EVERY category this year.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jan 23, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Felton’s offensive value has risen because he’s doing a lot less, not shooting nearly as much as he did in previous years. He’s succeeding at greater rates because he’s only taking the best shots available to him. Augustin is a better scorer, but not nearly the defensive player Felton is, and it’s an open question if he can facilitate the offense the way Felton has this year. So, as noted in the post, to maximize what they do on offense, the burdens and responsibilities should shift a bit, with the ball going even more through Jackson and, especially, Diaw, and, as also noted in the post, I doubt he can match Felton’s overall production he’s given us this year.

by David A. Arnott on Jan 23, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we should give some credit to him working under Larry Brown as well?

Most players play better when they have better talent around them. However thriving in his 2nd year under LB is an odd coincidence.

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by southtunnel on Jan 23, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Every time?

LB has been given credit for being Yoda to Felton’s Luke repeatedly here by a number of people. In fact, Brown even LOOKS a bit like Yoda from the right angles.

by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 23, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you watch the game or just look at the box score?

DJ can’t come close to the production of Felton. When he was on the floor today it was borderline impossible to notice. He can’t defend anyone because eh’s so small, his jumper has been off all year and he can’t finish around the basket. When we drafted him I was so mad because I watched him play at Texas a lot and he would over penetrate, jump in the air and either throw up wild layups or hope to find an open man. That’s what he’s been doing this season.

If you didn’t point out the box score I never would have known Flip had that many assists. The entire game I felt like neither he nor Diaw showed up. Both of them got absolutely abused on defense.

As far as Gerald Henderson only getting 3 minutes. Again I ask, did you watch the game? Or the past 4 games? He’s lost. He has no idea how to operate in this offense. And while I think he can be a very productive player in the future, he can’t now. And really until the last 3 minutes we were still in it. Around 3 minutes we had it down to 9. He was not going to help that.

All in all, the Hawks played great. They played fantastic defense and wouldn’t give us anything in the paint. We just couldn’t get into our offense because of their length and height. They have an intense lineup and they can go far in the postseason. All credit to them tonight.

by drapht00 on Jan 23, 2010 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed. There's a reason why Henderson's getting less playing time than anyone else

Derrick Brown’s getting a lot more mins now so there really isn’t much excuse left for Henderson not getting “enough” playing time.

by Shockers on Jan 23, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

The value of Augustin

This isn’t directed specifically at you drapht, but you commented on a couple of hot-button issues I wanted to address.

Your first 2 paragraphs though, need to be looked at. If you admittedly didn’t know Flip had distributed the ball that well, isn’t it just as likely that DJ was productive in ways you didn’t notice either? From my view, DJ was a scoring cypher, but when Felton first left the game I thought Augustin did an excellent job at both ends of the court to close out the half. He was a defensive presence, and handled the offensive coordination duties just fine. It was in the second half that his overall game declined. He looked fairly lost and, apart from one VERY nice driving layup in the 4th, looked almost as rusty as Henderson.

You’re dead right about the rookies. Brown is getting some extra time right now because LB knows he has to try to nurse Wallace along for a few games to give his ankle something resembling rest. Although his game isn’t NBA starter quality just yet, Brown has taken the minutes he’s been given and played well enough that Larry seems to be using him more regularly and with more confidence each game. This is not only resulting in longer shifts right now, but it’s going to pay dividends later in the year. As Derrick’s skills develop he’s going to transition from “okay, it’s safe to use him here and there” to “we need Derrick’s presence on the court.” In other words, I think he’s going to grow into someone we can’t afford to sit.

OTOH I’m willing to chalk up some of Henderson’s play to bench rust, but if WE have watched enough games to understand the basics of the team offensive and defensive set plays, Gerald has watched even more – and from a better seat. GH doesn’t just look rusty, he looks utterly lost. He acts more confused than a blind man trying to read a stucco wall. I don’t see any chance at all that the dude is going to be of any use to us whatsoever this season. If he’s wise, he’ll play some summer ball and come back next season ready to prove himself. He HAS talent. But right now he’s not looking underused, he’s looking outclassed.

The better team won tonight. We were able to make it competitive. Any time you climb back from 20+ on the home court of a decent team it says a lot about just how good a team you have. The Bobcats were good enough to fight back after digging themselves a very deep hole. We almost got close enough to steal a win. But make no mistake. It would have been just that – a theft.

Remember David’s “good Felton/bad Felton” comments from the early part of the season? Well, what we got tonight, after weeks of “good Cats” was a return of the “bad Cats.” Too many turnovers, points left on the charity stripe, and Diaw doing his Invisible Man impersonation all added up to what we looked like in October. The only missing “bad Cats” factor was Chandler’s quick pair of fouls in the first quarter and that was only because he’s injured.

by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 23, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe you took my box score comment the wrong way

The box score inflated the value that Flip had in this game. I think he played a stinker. And that’s fine, he’s played so well recently that I’m not going to bemoan him just for one bad game. But in the context of this one game, actually watching the game showed how lost we were having Flip run the point.

And no, I really don’t think DJ was productive. He had a couple nice layups, but he just can’t defend NBA players. They shoot right over the top of him. And he doesn’t have the skills of Aaron Brooks, the strength of Jameer Nelson, or the savvy of Tony Parker. These are all smaller point guards that have found ways to be productive in this league. He’s been a productive bench player for us, but I don’t see him being anything more and can’t see us succeeding with him playing heavy minutes. I felt this way about him in college, I felt this way about him when we drafted him, he surprised a little last season, but this year he’s brought the exact same concerns I had before back to mind.

This was a bad game for the Bobcats. But we need to be sure to credit the Hawks for a game well played. They have so many weapons. Our poor play (outside of missed free throws and wide open shots) was the result of them paying fantastic defense. We missed dunks because Josh Smith scares everyone around the rim. Horford was killer on the post. Joe Johnson is a ball hog but he can hit any shot. Marvin Williams is a great utility player. Jamaal Crawford is the ideal bench microwave. He couldn’t miss, a normal occurrence with him. Great game Hawks.

by drapht00 on Jan 23, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha

I did indeed misread your comments. But I think we’re really saying the exact same thing. I’m quite worried about next season. We aren’t going to have a lot of money to play with, and it looks like we won’t have drafting options. Our hole at the 4 isn’t going away unless we act before the trade deadline and next year it won’t even be our biggest problem.

DJ is a decent player. But any time we play a strong team, he’s not going to help us as the starting point guard. I’m dead set against overpaying Felton just to keep him and I think anything above the 7.5 to 8 million dollar range would do just that. If it were a year later, we’d have expiring contracts that would make room under the cap to pay Ray more, but it’s a year too early. I fear we’re going to lose him in the Free Agent Sweeps and we have very few options to replace him. I’d love to sit down with Felton and his agent for just 30 minutes. I’m not saying I’d succeed, but I’d try to get him to agree to a single year contract that we CAN afford with our present cap budget, with the promise of a long-term deal at a higher rate a year later. Barring that, I’d be willing to broker a 5-year deal that gives him a small bump next season with a much better upgrade in the successive seasons where we’ll have money freed up from Chandler, Mohammed, and Diaw. Surely SOMETHING could be worked out on that end.

I think our highest priorities right now (and this has changed from even a month ago) have to be working out a deal with Felton, finding a way to reward Gerald Wallace for his heroic efforts, and keeping Stephen Jackson in a Charlotte uniform. In that order. Our weakness at the 4 gets addressed only AFTER we have solid plans in place to deal with those first issues.

Your mileage may vary, but that’s what I’d be focused on if the decisions were mine to make.

by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 23, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree Henderson is lost on the court

Henderson has potential, but he is not going to get enough minutes this year to be of any value to the Bobcats. More minutes at this point in the season is not going to help. Hopefully, we can get him in synch for next year.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jan 23, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I watched the game. There’s a much larger issue you’re bringing up that I’d rather not go into detail about now, but, basically, whenever you watch a game, you won’t see everything, which is why we keep stats in the first place.

As for Henderson’s playing time, this is a chicken-egg discussion. Do you think he’d look less lost if, you know, he had been getting more playing time all along, or do you just think he is who he is? I’d guess he’d be a better player, with his legs more under him, if he’d been playing more from the start.

by David A. Arnott on Jan 23, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Very smart points David.

When I went to my first game this season I had forgotten just how much more there is to see. You would think the camera close-ups would provide the better view, but the opposite is DEFINITELY the case. Before that night I knew there were problems with Diaw, but I couldn’t identify them. Sitting at the court I could identify that the big problem was how poorly he moves without the ball. I couldn’t spot it on tv because the camera follows the ball, not the player. You can’t see Diaw standing in one spot like a parked car unless you are actually courtside. And that’s just one example of the difference.

Regarding Henderson, it doesn’t matter whether you blame LB for not playing him earlier in the year, or whether you blame Henderson for not being quick enough in his learning of the NBA game for LB to be able to use him. It still adds up to the same thing. We’re rapidly hitting the point where he’s a wash for the current season and we have to start looking at how to prep him for next year. It sucks because I agree with you when you say he’s a better player than the one we’re seeing. But nevertheless, here we are. We’re about to make a playoff drive and for whatever reason, Gerald Henderson is not going to be able to be able to provide much help.

by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 23, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

D-League

I think were at the point where it would help Henderson to spend some time in the D-League. It seems to have helped Ajinca.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jan 23, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Send Hendo down for some PT, and bring Ajinca up...

and look for a new home for Chandler…perhaps Washington for Jamison.

by andrewlail76 on Jan 24, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Why are we even talking Felton/Augustin (again)?

When one of your starting 5 scores ZERO points it’s a problem.

Boris’ inconsistency is going to be the achilles heel of the Bobcats down the stretch. I’d rather give up his 15 or 16 points every 4 games in exchange for a solid 8-10 every game.

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by James Dator on Jan 23, 2010 1:37 AM EST reply actions  

Lots of fans say we need a backup PF

I say we need starting PF. Diaw has a great skill set, but he is way too inconsistent. It’s annoying.

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by Julius Coxswain on Jan 23, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Boris

Boris has played quite well during our winning streak. One low production game doesn’t change this. Maybe Felton’s absense threw him off kilter. He is still a talented starting PF. When Jackson, G-Force, Flip, and Nazr are doing the scoring, the Bobcats don’t need a big night from Boris in the points column. Granted we do need more than zero.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jan 23, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not 'one low production game'

It’s a pattern that’s been there for the entire season.

There are 28 occasions this season where Boris has scored less than 10 points, in those 28 games the Cats won 12.

You just said yourself “Boris has played quite well during our winning streak”

Doesn’t that just punctuate that this team wins where Boris shows up and loses when he doesn’t?

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Jan 23, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 rec and anything else that indicates agreement!

I was literally just talking with my wife (while typing my comments to David’s post) about how much more effective Boris would be coming off the bench if we could land a semi-decent starter at the 4.

He’s one of the most inconsistent ballers I’ve ever seen. It also makes him frustrating as hell. You KNOW what he can do but you have to wonder every single night if he’s going to do any of it or just mail it in.

by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 23, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Boris stats

averaging about 5 assists over the past 11 games.
averaging 12.6 points over the past 6 games.
averaging 6 rebounds over the past 9 games.
is playing solid defense in 2010

If you can convince a team to give us an every better PF for a combination of Diop, Acie, and Henderson, its a deal.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jan 23, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Same problem remains

You’re going back at most 11 games, there have been 41 this season.

I don’t pretend to know a scenario that lands us a better option at the PF position, but I know that Diaw has become the achilles heel of the starting 5, and something’s gotta give.

Right now, I’d sooner advocate shifting Boris to the bench and moving Tyson Chandler to the 4 when he’s healthy. Granted, Tyson doesn’t near have the potential that Diaw has, but he’s reliable.

Stephen Jackson is a streaky player
Raymond Felton is a streaky player
Gerald Wallace is reliable
Nazr Mohammad is reliable

Keeping Diaw in the starting 5 keeps this team as one who will win in spurts, it pushes too much of the balance to streakiness.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Jan 23, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

DJ's reliable too

Let’s move him to the starting lineup over Felton.

Henderson’s been the most reliable player all year. Let’s start him ahead of Jax

by and1droid on Jan 23, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You completely and 100% missed the point

I’m advocating a balanced starting 5, not one that’s weighted too much one way or another.

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by James Dator on Jan 23, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaw still had 5 assists 5 rebounds and a steal

He shot the ball poorly but he still finds ways to contribute. That’s why we’re still talking about the Felton/DJ issue. Because DJ doesn’t do anything other than shoot the ball fairly well.

by and1droid on Jan 23, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

All I know is that Boris is shooting his poorest total since 04-05.

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by James Dator on Jan 23, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh... Disillusionment stings

Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is.

by Ben Swanson on Jan 23, 2010 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

Raymond's absence

Raymond’s absence for an extended period may not kill the season but it could possibly make us wish the season was dead. He is the orchestrator of it all. He is the 4th quarter assassin. He is the ball stopper. Along with Gerald and Jax, he is the heart of the Charlotte bobcats. I like DJ and I want him to succeed, but as things stand right now, DJ cannot come close to replacing what Raymond brings to the Bobcats. I think each piece of the bobcats is important to their winning. Your point guard, or rather this point guard is just as important as any other piece or even more important.

by etothet on Jan 23, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

I think you may be overstating things here...

but not by much.

An injury to any member of our Gang of Three that takes one of them out for more than a couple of games is a major disaster. If Chandler fails to return for the rest of the season it’s going to hurt and there will be several games in the L column that would be W’s had Chandler been there. But if Jackson or Wallace are out for an extended period we’ll lost frequently enough that we might just get our draft pick after all.

Felton falls somewhere in the middle. Without Ray during the second half of the season, we’re going to be unable to compete against any of the stronger teams in the league. Some here may think I’M overstating things a bit, but I see at least a 10 game difference in our number of wins with Ray on the court than with him in civies on the sideline.

by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 23, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

There's literally nothing that Augustin does better than Felton at this point.

Last season, yeah, there’d be a much stronger case for DJ. But, as it stands, with Augustin’s regression in terms of 3P% and FT% (and Felton’s development in the former), he’s literally worse in every category relevant to a PG, with the exception of an advantage in turnover rate (which is nothing to scoff at, and it will be interesting to see if DJ can continue to protect possessions with an increase in playing time, because it could help to offset one of Charlotte’s biggest problems on offense).

Felton was a huge loss, and will continue to be if he can’t go for an extended period of time. Augustin is a miserable finisher at the rim at 34.5%, worst in the league of PGs who play more than 15 mins a game (Felton is 19th on that same list), he’s 8th worst in eFG%, 11th worst in TS%, and has a very high %Ast for a PG, suggesting he’s much more of a shot finisher than a shot creator at this point.

by Spider Jerusalem on Jan 23, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

Felton Good News!!!

Felton says he’s 95% sure he will be in the lineup tonight vs. the Magic.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jan 23, 2010 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

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