Building Our Championship Team
The point of asking you to think about successful roster construction in the NBA was to get you thinking about the Charlotte Bobcats' current process. If there's one truth to success in the league's modern era, it's that only one team has ever won a title without a superstar: the 2004 Pistons. I don't think it's coincidence that Larry Brown coached that team and is building this team the way that he is.
The second truth is that free agency and trades cannot be the only avenue of player acquisition. Look at the championship-caliber teams of the past couple decades. On each of those Finals teams -- except the 2004 and 2005 Pistons, and maybe the 1993 Suns -- the best or second best player had played his entire career for that team up to that point. To win a championship, drafting well is essential. In baseball, the Marlins could buy a team of free agents and win a title in 1997. That simply hasn't been a viable strategy in the NBA.
The Bobcats brass are not idiots. They have to know the history. So why are they building the roster this way? Perhaps Larry Brown is pushing everyone around to do things his way, even though he doesn't necessarily have a sound theory to back it up.Or, more likely, as Matt from HP keeps saying, they're not really aiming for a championship right now, but believe they have to aim for an easier goal first. Listen to the podcast to get his words exactly (again, I'll link when it goes up), but if I were to make the argument, it might go something like this:
-- The Bobcats are not a respected organization in the league. In fact, there's a stink of illegitimacy about them that comes from the uniquely poisonous breakup between Charlotte and the Hornets.
-- Because they're teetering on illegitimacy, the realistic thing to do is aim for respectability first, then once that respectability is established, build into a title contender.
-- It's quicker and easier to make the playoffs and be the seven seed if all you want to do is be the seven seed. Find quick fixes with little regard for the long haul. Be willing to grit your teeth through medium-term salary cap issues in exchange for present day talent.
-- Make the playoffs and give some top team hell for a game or two. Be the lead story on SportsCenter for a couple of news cycles.
-- All of that will make the team more attractive for advertisers, coaches, and players when they do decide to build toward a championship. The team may crater again for another few years, but they'll have built up enough goodwill to last them through a rough patch.
My contention is that we can have all that and build toward a championship team. Sure, there's a magic trick involved: find a superstar. I'm not going to pretend I know exactly how the Bobcats are going to do that. (Gerald Henderson? Pretty please?)
But I do believe that if the Cats are going to lure an already established superstar, a young team on the upswing, with a bunch of guys entering their primes, is more attractive than a group of veterans, simply because the championship window isn't liable to close at any time. Again, there are examples of veteran teams that just needed the final piece, but the team we build quickly with guys who are already veterans will almost certainly be less productive for the money than a team made up of guys who become veterans while with the Cats.
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“All of that will make the team more attractive for advertisers, coaches, and players when they do decide to build toward a championship. The team may crater again for another few years, but they’ll have built up enough goodwill to last them through a rough patch.”
…nope. If this team wins 38 games this year and gets swept by Cleveland, fans will be gone just as quick when they win <30 games the next three years
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 30, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions
I disagree
If the Panthers tank this season Charlotte will become the new focus. The playoffs could definitely win the team more fans, even if they’re swept by the Cavs.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 30, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
In between
I’m not sure the Panthers struggles will really help the Bobcats that much, but at least there won’t be so much of a contrast in identities between the winners (Panthers) and losers (Bobcats) as in past years.
Predicting the Bobcats’ future is very difficult. For now, respectability would seem to be a goal of the current regime.
Get some wins. Build some excitement. Sell some tickets. Build the franchise value. Sell the team.
What concerns me is how the front office would handle affairs if the Bobcats fall out of playoff contention. In any event, I wouldn’t expect them (BJ, Jordan, Higgins and Brown) to worry too much about the long term future of the Bobcats.
The ownership situation will be critical, and once the team is sold, a whole new leadership and team building philosophy is likely to take hold. Unless Jordan buys the team (please, please no), all the current decision makers will likely be out the door.
The Panthers struggles just mean a few of us will tune into the Bobcats a bit earlier
I’m not even sure making the playoffs will do much.
But could this really be the year that the Bobcats have more success than the Panthers? What a shift that would be.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 30, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No way.
You seem to have a misguided notion that Charlotte (or the Carolinas in general) cares about the NBA. They don’t. A playoff showing from a mediocre team won’t matter.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 30, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you account for the marked increase in attendance last season when the playoffs looked attainable?
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
That was a short-term gain in the moment.
After a first-round sweep, it’d be forgotten over the offseason.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 1, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but there always has to be a first step. If you start building a culture of winning, then even if we get swept in the first round the next 5 years fans will come to a playoff team.
I’m not saying there will be Maverick style sell outs every night, but at least an improvement over the current situation.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
James has a point
Winning cures a lot if woes. It won’t be a sustainable fanbase though, there’s no loyalty in this city.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Oct 1, 2009 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In my opinion...
I’d much rather see them at least make the playoffs this year. How many years will people keep believing the excuse that they’re building the franchise to be a future contender? This will be the franchise’s sixth year and they have increased their wins each year (except for the Sam Vincent dabacle) so I expect them to be in playoff contention near the end of the season. More seasons without even getting to the playoffs will diminish interest in a town where NBA basketball is already an afterthought. With a playoff berth, even if they’re swept, fans will be more inclined to think “hey, maybe this team actually is improving.”
Can interest diminish any more?
You’ve seen the attendance numbers. You’ve probably been to the games.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 30, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
The attendance has decreased each year since the franchise’s second season (first season in the new arena). The novelty of having a new team and new arena has worn off which has contributed to the decline in attendance. If the Bobcats don’t soon make the playoffs, I’m pretty confident that attendance will continue to decrease. The attendance numbers jumped up pretty well last year when they were still in the playoff hunt and they didn’t even make the playoffs. Just think of how the attendance will look if they are in the playoff hunt the entire season and they actually make it to the playoffs.
And another thing…is it really necessary to be so smarmy and pick out one phrase from every post that you disagree with just so you can start an argument?
Asking a question≠"starting an argument."
You made a statement. I asked for clarification of that statement.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 1, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha
The way I read it, it came off as smart-alecky to me even if that’s not how you intended. But yes, I do think attendance and interest in the Bobcats will diminish if management continues to put a team on the court that has little to no chance of even making the playoffs. I’ve been to many games over the last five years at many different points in the season. Sometimes it’s packed and sometimes it’s like no one is there. I think any kind of mild success would give Charlotteans something to talk about and spark some interest with the Bobcats, hopefully leading to a stronger and more dedicated fan base. Personally, I would be much more likely to attend games and more excited when attending games if there was playoff talk here in Charlotte.
Procton, you're allowed to exist in your little fantasy world for most things...
but if there’s one thing that you need to step in to reality and admit, it’s that you DO NOT speak for anything close to most fans. Most of us want to see the team make the playoffs more than the “5 more years and we’ll be a winner” fantasy that you buy into.
So you're disagreeing?
You’d rather we win 38 this year and then average 25 the next five, just because the team would have made the playoffs?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 30, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, get out of the fantasy world
Do most teams get exceptionally worse after making the playoffs? Just because you expect that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Stop putting words in my mouth because “reading is FUNdamental”
Yea, I stole your asshole quote.
Most teams that mortgage their entire future for the #8 seed do.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 1, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
OK:
2007 Toronto Raptors: Trade inexpensive spare parts (roster flexibility) and a future pick (which became Jack McClinton, who many see as an immediate contributor) for Rasho Nesterovic at $8 million a year, trade upside of Charlie Villanueva for safety of TJ Ford. An immediate gain is seen (47 wins in ‘07, a number we’ll never see), but their limited roster flexibility left them with an imbalanced roster that got worse each year (41 in ’08, 33 last year.)
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 1, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So a single example is supposed to be convincing?
That’s known as anecdotal evidence. Look that phrase up and you’ll see why it’s lacking
You're absolutely right.
Just stopped at the most recent example. Here’s another, the downfall of the NJ Nets. They were a consistent playoff team from ‘02-’06. By that time, their core had aged, and there was nobody to step up for them, their ‘04-’06 draft classes netting them nobody of any regard, the best of the bunch probably being Antoine Wright and Josh Boone, two first round picks who at best are in the back end of a good team’s rotation. Instead of trying to save money and build for future success, though, the team focused on trying to win (although Kidd’s age and contract status likely had something to do with that.) They signed some journeyman retreads in Cliff Robinson and Scott Padgett, and traded for another in Mikki Moore (giving up the pick that eventually netted us Derrick Brown.) The only young player they acquired was Eddie House, who they only signed to a one-year deal. They focused on acquiring veterans to win and stay in the playoff hunt (and that year, they did, with 41 wins), but ignored youth, and have suffered in the two seasons since, getting 34 wins each year. Their short-sightedness led to the blowup that has included Jason Kidd’s departure from the franchise.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 2, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, you're making a leap that that trade alone made Toronto go down hill
There’s an argument there, I’ll give you that. But again, far from conclusive or convincing.
Two trades, if we're being technical.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 2, 2009 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I grew up with the Hornets
We went to most of the games, and got to go to many corporate events and meet many of the players. That team was the pride of Charlotte. Regardless of wins or losses we were zealous to have a pro team at the height of the NBA. Fans a lot of emotion invested in them, and were bitterly hurt when Shinn stormed out of town.
Then they expect us to start over with the same enthusiasm??? And with a team with ugly colors, with a stupid name, with another owner people didn’t like, in a location fans didn’t want, and with a plummeting NBA reputation? Short of going to a championship, fans will not invest themselves again.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
The problem arises again
Look, I was a Hornets fan. It sucked when they left. I know.
Time is supposed to heal grievances. Apparently, not for old Hornets fans. The reality is that they left quite a few years ago, and it’s time to move on. Charlotte is fortunate enough to have an NBA team again, why can’t Hornets fans realize that?
Let’s move on and support the ’Cats (who now have sweet uniforms) and discuss what it will take to make this franchise successful.
by CharginChuck on Sep 30, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet uniforms?
Sure, if you’re into boring, generic jerseys that look like Nets rejects.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Sep 30, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you
But people like my Dad who was a huge Hornet fan, could care less about the Bobcats. And you have a lot of people who have moved from up north. They typically don’t support the Panthers or Bobcats.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Sep 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you guys remember the Carolina Cougars?
I always thought instead of trying to replace the Hornets with a new look Bobcats team. They should have resurrected the ABA Carolina Cougars. Play off of the nostalgia, put some old photos up in the stadium, and create some vintage yet modern looking jerseys.
Piggy back the Panther’s “Carolina” theme… And to make it complete, Larry Brown was their 1st coach in the early 70s. He led them to first place in the ABA’s Eastern Division! Nothing says fan loyalty like a team with history. Am I the only one that things that would be really awesome?
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Lol, the Bobcats could go sign
Dwight Howard, Lebron James and Chris Paul and Procton would moan about it.
But I can’t say his bitterness is not justified… Our football team has a worse record than the frigging Detroit Lions!
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Oct 1, 2009 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

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