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Bobcats sign Flip Murray

Not only did the Bobcats add Raymond Felton back to their roster lately, but free agent guard Flip Murray was just signed to a 1 year, almost 2 million deal.  The 6ft3 guard averaged about 12 points last season on the bench for the Hawks and was deciding between the Bobcats and Cavs.  Brown supposively likes Murray for his versatility and scoring.

This is an interesting move and raises a number of issues.  Does this signing of Murray mean that McCants will not be playing for the Bobcats this year since we just added a guard and scorer??  And secondly, Where does Murray fit in on roster?? Does Murray's choice of Bobcats over Cavs mean that he thinks that Charlotte has a better upside??

SO, what do ya'll think of this move??

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http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2009/09/murray-appears-headed-to-charlotte.html

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/336/story/967941.html

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What do you think of the signing of Flip Murray?
Great! He is a good offensive weapon, versatile, and will be a good backup
27 votes
Ehhh, he's okay. Nothing really exciting, but will probably be a decent backup
12 votes
This guy is a scrub, I really don't care about this signing
1 votes

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1. Absolutely, this means McCants doesn’t fit on the roster. Murray fills the same scoring guard role off the bench, with the added benefit of playing a little defense and having some playmaking ability.
2. I’m intrigued to know this answer myself. Unless he’s a true #3 PG who only gets 8-12 MPG, he’s going to be taking minutes from one of Henderson or Augustin unless he plays a lot behind Gerald at the 3 (which he’s done some of in the past, although not very successfully. He’s actually even played some PF in the past.) I don’t like that. He does provide a spark off the bench, but he’s pretty much reached his upside and isn’t going to be a building block this franchise hangs on to long-term.
3. Charlotte has better upside than Cleveland? Are you serious? No, we just offered nearly twice what they did ($1.9 mil to $1.1 mil) and he’s got a much better shot at getting run on a far inferior roster.

So, as a move, I think it’s fine, but I hope he doesn’t end up being a 20+ MPG player for us, because that means we’re stunting the development of one of our young guards.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 25, 2009 3:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Addendum:

Apparently, the McCants question was moot anyway. He signed with Houston on a non-guaranteed deal.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 25, 2009 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a curious addition.

I can see why we signed him. He’s a solid backup with offensive capability who can provide some quick offense off the bench and play multiple positions.

I like the signing, but I’m a little confused what the prevailing wisdom to bring in another guard while retaining absolutely no depth at PF.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Sep 25, 2009 7:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Murray is certainly more likely to have an on-court impact than any of the PF options left out there.

We may just be waiting for post-camp cuts to sift through the frontcourt scrapheap.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 25, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.... he will definately have more impact than the available options at PF.

But there’s still a glaring hole behind Diaw… hopefully we’ll get lucky and there will be some cuts.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Sep 25, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really hoping Ajinca will come in to his own this year.

All we need for him to be is not a complete bust. As long as he can soak up some minutes while diaw is resting they should be able to survive. If he gets 5-7 pts and 5-6 rebounds that would be great. Hopefully the NBDL helped him get hhis feet wet for playing NBA style basketball.

by Ball Above All on Sep 30, 2009 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, there's a TON of hope for that to happen.

Brown all but told him he was never going to be an NBA player just days ago.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 30, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

“I was going (to France) to drink the wine and eat the food. After watching him, nothing tastes good,‘’ Brown said of his second-year big man. "He showed no interest in making their team or playing hard. It was almost like he didn’t think he had a chance to make the team, didn’t understand why he was there. I looked at that as a wonderful opportunity.

He has to allow us to coach him. If not, instead of being in Sioux Falls, S.D., he’ll be in Portland, Maine.’’

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 30, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That quote is far from the way you misrepresented it, Procto.

Trying to get a 21 year old player motivated is not at all the same telling him he’s not a player. But you read it however you like, i know you’ll put the typical Procto-spin on it.

by dudemanhey on Oct 1, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spin?

Brown told him he wasn’t any good. If you have a way to read it any other way, it seems like you’d be the one doing the spinning.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Oct 1, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're both kind of misrepresenting the quote to be honest

dudemanhey: That wasn’t just motivation, it reeked of frustration. When Larry Brown gets to the point of calling you out to the media you’re on very, very thin ice.

Procton: I would say what Brown said was far from telling him he “was never going to be an NBA player”.

The ‘team’ in the quote was the French national team, not the Bobcats. The quote was in reference to him basically not giving a rats ass about playing for the French national team during the offseason.

Brown referenced Diaw playing for 10 weeks and looked at Ajinca’s opportunity to work with the French team as a chance to hone his game over the off season, and finished basically saying if he brought that same laziness to Bobcats camp he’d be in the d-league rather than the roster.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Oct 1, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've said it before:

barring some major trade, LB will use Radmanovic as the back up PF. The dude is 6’10’’ , can stretch the D, and matches up better with the athletic PFs of the Eastern Conference like Rashard Lewis, KG, Jamison, etc.

by dudemanhey on Sep 27, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

And will get pounded any time an opposing PF posts him up.

That’s not going to happen.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Sep 27, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Height does not a PF make.

Have you seen VladRad play defense? He would get eaten up a spat out. I don’t see how that ‘matches up well’ with Kevin Garnett.

I’m more comfortable with playing Gerald Wallace at PF than Radmanovich.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Sep 27, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flip Murray Vs. a Back up PF?

I agree with dudemanhey on this one. I don’t think VladRad is a GREAT PF, but hey, hes 6’10" and that fact right there makes him a better fit than Wallace. I think Wallace is a million times more effective on defense and more athletic but hes simply not tall enough to challenge guys like Chris Bosh or Kevin Garnett. However, another great thing VladRad can do for us at PF is on offense. He really could stretch the opponents defense. With his 3-point shooting touch, he has the potential to pull decent shot blocking 4s out of the paint and leave it more open for a cutting Wallace or Henderson to the basket.

I like Flip Murray coming off the bench. That keeps Bell’s minutes down a bit which will be good since hes getting older, and provides more scoring potential.

I do think in order for VladRad to play 4 effectively he needs to bulk up, and who knows, he might just do that. However, Derrick Brown is technically a 4, and although hes not to big he is athletic and a solid rebounder so hopefully he can fill in a little.

I think Charlotte is a little bit stacked at the center position so I wouldn’t mind trying to move somebody like Diop or Mohammed for a solid PF (with some serious scoring potential). Only time will tell!

by BobcatsLuke on Oct 6, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Brown is NOT technically a four.

He’s an SF, and is listed as such on the team’s roster.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Oct 7, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Stacked" at the center position?

No, the Bobcats have two overpaid stiffs backing up Chandler. No other team would take Mohammed or Diop in trade unless they were getting rid of a worse contract. Otherwise one of them would already be gone. Trading one of them for a useful PF is wishful thinking.

As for VladRad, I agree that he can be an offensive weapon and floor spreader, which is why the Bobcats traded for him. But he’s never going to be even an average rebounder or post defender. And players don’t “bulk up” during the season. VladRad is what he is both good and bad. His usefulness depends on whether his shot is falling and matchups.

Brown may one day be able to play PF, but for now:
Brown said he’d prefer not to play Derrick Brown at power forward this preseason, so that the rookie can concentrate on learning the small forward position.
For now, Brown needs to show he’s worthy of a roster spot. Stevie Graham seems to be catching Coach’s eye.

by ClipCat on Oct 7, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brown's getting a roster spot.

They signed him to a guaranteed deal even though they didn’t need to. Not like we have a budget crisis or anything, right?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Oct 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be shocked if Brown was cut, too

The guaranteed contract pretty much locks him in, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if he gets more PT in Maine than on the Bobcats, especially if Graham sticks. Brown is a project, and I do hope he works his way into the rotation even if that doesn’t happen right away.

by ClipCat on Oct 7, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got it.

You really meant a jersey. He’s on the roster either way.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Oct 8, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You gotta go with what ya got!

When I said stacked, I meant more quantity over quality! I’m with ya clipcat.

I agree with both clipcat and michael on this one. I think that the Bobcats made a huge mistake when they traded away Priomz and Hermann for Mohammed. And again when they got rid of Matt Carol for Diop. I don’t have anything against Mohammed or Diop, but I agree they are over payed and under productive.

As for whos going to play the 4, again, you gotta go with what you got. Before the season started Larry Brown was talking about having Chandler play the 4 and Mohammed or Diop in the middle. To me that seems strange. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a trade somewhere in the middle of the season though that might send Brown or Graham and maybe Diop somewhere for a back up PF. Again, wishful thinking.

by BobcatsLuke on Oct 7, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

True, but that's the problem

The Bobcats don’t have much at the 4. I suppose it doesn’t hurt to experiment with Chandler at PF, but like you, I think that would really limit the Bobcats on offense.

What frustrates me is that after failing to sign a decent free agent PF two off-seasons in a row, the Bobcats haven’t even brought in a single training camp invitee who can play PF. Coach Brown has been very candid about the hole at backup PF so why are all the camp invitees guards and small forwards? Call Richard Hendrix now!

by ClipCat on Oct 7, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too late for Hendrix

He’s signed to CB Granada in the Spanish League. Hopefully the Bobcats will find someone in trade or out of the D-League to grab some rebounds. But it’s absolutely inexcusable they don’t have any options in camp besides Ajinca.

by ClipCat on Oct 7, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, there's always Jason Williams!

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Oct 8, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Carroll deal wasn't so bad.

Carroll wasn’t on a cheap, expiring deal as Brezec and Herrmann were. And yes, Brown floated that Chandler as PF idea, but he simply can’t hang with the Jamisons and Bargnanis and Rashard Lewises on the perimeter.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Oct 8, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh...

And you’re kidding yourself if you think Brown or Graham will have any trade value whatsoever.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Oct 8, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

To bad we let May go! Hahahaha! Thats sarcasm! On the other hand, I do think if he could have lost the weight and got his attitude in check he might have been useful. All I’m saying is that after all this crap we had to go through with him, he better not go over there to Sac and be the solid PF they we always needed him to be! lol!

But yeah, how and why couldn’t Charlotte have pulled in a couple of PFs to come in during training camp? Inexcusable indeed.

by BobcatsLuke on Oct 7, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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