NBA Draft Open Thread
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 12:17 PM EDT
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Coverage starts at 7pm on ESPN. I'll be in my abode with the Official Girlfriend of Rufus on Fire, the Official Roommate of Rufus on Fire (a Nets fan), and two Official Coworkers of Rufus on Fire (Kings and Heat), noshing on Villa Francesca pizza while teams fall all over themselves to draft their futures.
MJ, don't fail the Bobcats now.
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the only way jordan helps
is by steering the hell clear. larry brown is useless waste of human life by the way.
love,
new york
twitter.com/aighttho
What would you think of this trade?
It seems clear that the Bobcats need a scoring SG as their primary focus this offseason, and that the Pistons need to shake up their roster. That being said:
Charlotte Bobcats trade Raymond Felton (sign and trade), #12 pick overall to Detroit Pistons for Richard Hamilton, #15 overall
Seems to me this would give the Pistons a PG they have coveted. Gives the Cats the SG and a familiar face for Larry and would allow us to get a solid backup PG for DJ (see Lawson, Paddy Mills etc.)
by James The Aussie on Jun 25, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions
I'd take that in a heartbeat...
But they turned down a better package from the Celtics.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Done and done. Except that it wouldn’t work under the CBA.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't there be ways to make it work if the offer was high enough because of BYC?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure. I think the main problem with BYC is that it essentially prevents you from making a deal with anyone unless both teams are under the cap.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Rumor from Chad Ford is that Jordan wasn’t impressed by Terrence Williams…the guy we apparently promised our 12th pick.
He adds that Jordan likes James Johnson over both Williams and other guard Gerald Henderson.
If we end up with Johnson it better be because we traded down.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
He LOVED Adam Morrison.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
like i said
jordan just generally has got it all wrong. lest we forget kwame brown.
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he might of been a good player but he is horrible in the front office
Rays baseball + Colorado Football= amazing
Sam Vincent wouldn't have been, either.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to believe that a guy who’s better than everyone else right now will be better in the future, but I’m not confident at all in anyone’s ability to make fine distinctions in present-day talent (Isiah Thomas and Rod Thorn excluded), so I’ve been torn by the notion that this draft is so shallow in talent that the best pick after Griffin/Rubio is the high-upside pick. In other words, a good process would be to take Jordan Hill, to take James Johnson, to take Brandon Jennings, to take Tyreke Evans, to take Jrue Holiday, to perhaps reach a bit on Chase Budinger… to take the guys who are simply super athletes and hope they pan out, instead of taking the guys in this draft who are most skillful at basketball and hoping their skill can overcome their relative lack of athleticism.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
While I see what you're saying...
I just don’t like the idea of taking an ‘upside prospect’. For a team like the T’Wolves who seem to be salting the earth and starting again it’s fine to reach with your 2 picks in the 20s but for the Cats I dislike the notion.
We’re not a rebuilding team, we’re one knocking on the door. Which is why I am a big fan of trying to move the pick for a vet. Look at the steal Richard Jefferson was had for, we need to find a team looking to gamble in 2010 and make a move. We took our flying leap on Ajinca last year (who honestly would be a lottery pick if he came out this year), lets do whatever it takes to seal the deal now.
by James The Aussie on Jun 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be inclined to agree but if the 5th pick can only fetch Foye (who I like) and Mike Miller then what can we possibly expect to get with the 12th pick. We’re not drafting a player that will be good this year but unless a team falls in love with a guy that is still available I don’t see us trading out of the draft.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Knocking on what door, though?
The chance to win 38 games, be the #7 or #8 seed, and get swept?
Also, we can’t make a trade like the Spurs did because we don’t have the cap room.
Also, what proof do you have that Ajinca would be a lotto pick? He’s terrible.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If we’re looking at upside prospects there is no doubt in my mind Ajinca would go that high… the kid is still only 20, and had a couple of flashes towards the end of the year. I don’t have any ‘hard proof’ but I feel that wpuld be the case.
The Bell/Diaw move turned us into a team knocking on the door of the playoffs. Without them, we’re sunk. Lets not forget it took the bold move of trading Wright for Richardson that started that ball rolling, and it worked out pretty well.
Baby steps, baby steps…. the biggest opponent Charlotte has right now is the people of Charlotte, we are in desperate need of a playoff series to aide the team’s growth. Unless there is some high drama and a player like DeRozan or Harden falls to us, then I just dont see the value of taking a Gerald Henderson, Johnson or Williams. Especially if a player like Brandon Jennings is available and some team decides to play ‘lets make a deal’.
Fair point about the Spurs. We burned too much of our room on Mohammad.
by James The Aussie on Jun 25, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Flashes of what, exactly?
His best game was 12-4 in 20 minutes of a blowout game. And that came in December. And he played two games from 2/17 on.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
When I checked, they were something like 12-7. That ain’t good for the 20th pick against a bunch of NBA washouts.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I was mainly referring to the d-league and that rare ‘blowout’ game. That being said, he’s raw… really raw… it took Dirk Nowitzki a good 3 seasons to do anything and he was a ‘ready to play’ international big man. Ajinca has a similar shooting touch, but it will take him some time. I’m not factoring him into any potential lineup yet, but I have seen flashes of his ability.
by James The Aussie on Jun 25, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Nowitzki also had done something before he got drafted...
He was the German player of the year! Ajinca couldn’t get run on a second-division French league team.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Precisely my point....
It took the German player of the year three seasons before being able to perform in the NBA. You’re ready to write an inexperienced Ajinca off after his rookie year.
I never said he’s a future superstar, however, I did say he was a very raw prospect with alot of upside who I think would be a lottery pick in this year’s weak draft.
by James The Aussie on Jun 25, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But my point was that you had proof he could produce.
Ajinca has shown none of that. Kwame Brown used to have all the upside in the world, remember? And Darko?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Touche sir
Time will tell I guess…. people can mock me for this one too, and maybe it’s because I’m a homer…. but Patty Mills is the second best PG prospect in this draft and he will probably fall to the 2nd round.
by James The Aussie on Jun 25, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think both Procton and I have been on the Mills bandwagon the whole time. I’d love to move up in the second part of the draft to take him.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I loves me some Patty Mills, irrationally I might add. Dude can’t really shoot, but if he has Jarrett Jack’s career, I wouldn’t be surprised.
Fun fact: Before Mills went to St. Mary’s, and before I moved to Charlotte, I was the halftime news anchor and board operator for St. Mary’s College basketball broadcasts.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m glad to see he’s getting some love. When I see Jonny Flynn and Tyreke Evans both going potentially top 10 I ask myself “Could either one of these guys break both Chris Paul’s and Deron Williams’ ankles in the same game? Because Patty Mills did!” I just don’t see how someone with so much potential, upside and international experience could be the 6th or 7th PG taken.
by James The Aussie on Jun 25, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Because of that "upside business you were mentioning earlier."
And, truth be told, one game—no matter how impressive—does not a player make.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree....
Johnson had one good with wake…. williams or henderson in that order
Don't believe any rumors you hear this week
I’m not impressed with Williams either so I hope that part is true, but how would Chad Ford know what Jordan thinks? I’m sure Jordan didn’t tell him, and if he did it’s likely to be misinformation.
The suggestion of James Johnson feels like a smokescreen. The last thing the Bobcats need is another tweener forward.
What’s not to like about Williams? He plays awesome defense, he can rebound and he can pass. He’s by no means polished offensively but neither was Ron Artest. That’s who he seems to draw a lot of comparisons too. Though that might be because of his eccentric nature.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
What's not to like?
He can’t shoot from anywhere on the floor and shoots bad shots anyway. Further, his BBIQ is not exactly what Brown is looking for.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s an athlete. You mentioned yourself the other day that Raja Bell developed into a shooter.
Williams is a better defender, athlete, rebounder and dare I say has more upside than Henderson.
But I think we can both agree that Williams or Henderson is a far superior pick to Johnson. If we’re taking a big I want Blair.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I don't think Williams is a better defender at all.
And he certainly can’t stick with a scoring PG, which Henderson can and we need with our small PGs.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s got a 6’10 3/4 wingspan so he can defend big and I’m betting everything that he’s faster and moves quicker than Henderson.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
You've heard of "sources within the organization?"
Some intern in the operations department or anybody else can easily email him after he hears MJ raving about a kid in a pre-draft meeting or even walking down the hall.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course so
But I don’t believe any kind of rumor like that so close to the draft. Anyone within the organization would be undermining his bosses and in danger of losing his job if he pulled that kind of crap – unless he was instructed to spread misinformation. Who knows, but I don’t put much stock in what ESPN says. They’re a bunch of old ladies gossiping at a tea party.
Fun with draft names
My buddy at work loves the idea of going out to clubs and telling girls his name is some NBA player’s… with a slight twist so the sports-inclined don’t get suspicious. For instance, a couple years ago, he would have been telling girls he was Mark Aldridge, Andy Bargnani, Kenny Martin, or Dan Granger.
This year, he’s been talking about Jerry Henderson, Jon Flynn, Jimmy Harden, and—my personal favorite—Steve Kirby. Any others you see?
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
Terry Williams?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
My Mock Draft:
1. Los Angeles Clippers: Blake Griffin
2. Memphis Grizzlies: Hasheem Thabeet
3. Oklahoma City Thunder: James Harden
4. Sacramento Kings: Jonny Flynn
5. Minnesota Timberwolves: Tyreke Evans
6. Minnesota Timberwolves: Ricky Rubio
7. Golden State Warriors: Jordan Hill
8. New York Knicks: Stephen Curry
9. Toronto Raptors: DeMar DeRozan
10. Milwaukee Bucks: Jrue Holiday
11. New Jersey Nets: Tyler Hansbrough
12. Charlotte Bobcats: Terrence Williams
13. Indiana Pacers: Eric Maynor
14. Phoenix Suns: Gerald Henderson
15. Detroit Pistons: Earl Clark
16. Chicago Bulls: James Johnson
17. Philadelphia 76ers: Brandon Jennings
18. Minnesota Timberwolves: Austin Daye
19. Atlanta Hawks: Ty Lawson
20. Utah Jazz: B.J. Mullens
21. New Orleans Hornets: Sam Young
22. Portland Trailblazers: DeJuan Blair
23. Sacramento Kings: Omar Casspi
24. Dallas Mavericks: Jeff Teague
25. Oklahoma City Thunder: Toney Douglas
26. Chicago Bulls: Jonas Jerebko
27. Memphis Grizzlies: Derrick Brown
28. Minnesota Timberwolves: Nick Calthes
29. New York Knicks: Chase Budinger
30. Cleveland Cavaliers: DeMarre Carroll
Everything probably gets messed up by pick 3.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I’m going on record with my two first round busts (since I’m assuming Austin Daye doesn’t get drafted in the first round.
— BJ Mullens is the new DeAndre Jordan. Do. Not. Want.
— Also, I’ll be surprised if Hasheem Thabeet has a better career than Roy Hibbert.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
I would add DeJuan Blair to your list too… something just doesn’t feel right…
by James The Aussie on Jun 25, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno...
Jordan would have fit in ok here last year, and he certainly had a few nice games (21-8 in 25 minutes in a March game.)
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
"the new DeAndre Jordan"
DeAndre Jordan is not a bust. He rebounds, blocks shots, dunks and was a 2nd round steal last season. It’s not his fault that he was overhyped coming out of high school, but in a couple years he could be a very solid center. Maybe BJ Mullens is more accurately described as the new Alex Ajinca?
This
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Division is going to be hard to compete in.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Then again...
I think the Magic are primed to slip. Everything came together perfectly for them last year, and that old gray mare ain’t what she used to be.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter Deal
Yahoo! Sports included a tidbit with the Carter deal stating that the Nets now plan to take Williams at the 11 spot so it isn’t getting to the 12.
First person to mention Michael Jackson on the broadcast?
htt://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obit_michael_jackson
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
I just don’t care about him.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Sad...
He was the most influential musician of our lifetime.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN passes on the rumor of Amar’e Stoudemire getting traded to GSW for Biedrins, Belinelli, Brandan Wright, and the 7th pick.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
I’m waiting for the Knicks’ fans’ reaction if the team passes on Curry or Flynn.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
I can’t see them passing on Curry. Who would you see falling that they would draft over Curry?
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I know Jennings is falling, but he’s actually more of the kind of player I’d think D’Antoni would want. Would we be shocked if he turned out to be like Barbosa? I like Curry a lot, but as I’ve said all along, I’d be more than a little scared that I’d just picked the next Eddie House when I could’ve had that in the second round with Jodie Meeks.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
No surprises yet. Blake Griffin to the Clips.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
Recent Terrence Williams tweet:
TheRealTWill: Just heard it was 25 years ago Jordan was drafted. Wow humbled to be sitting in the same spot
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Foreshadowing? Hope we don’t give up anything to trade up ahead of NJ.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think we will. He’s not worth trading up for. I’m still in favor of picking up a second first round pick and moving back.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
That'll have to happen when the pick is on the board or close to it.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If Henderson and J. Johnson are gone, I’d be in favor of that.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
will you keep posting picks and deals as they happen?
I was planning on watching a lot of the Yanks-Braves rubber match.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone in the room just made the DUNK FACE!!! James Harden drafted by OKC at #3. Second year in a row they’ve gone against what everyone thought they’d do.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
If you’ve read Chad Ford this isn’t really a surprise. He called this pick early on.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Don’t have Insider. I do give Harden props for wearing a bow tie, though.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The Thunder are gonna be SO good in a few years.
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The Kings go with Tyreke Evans! Rubio’s dropping to the Wolves! The Kings fan in the room is freaking out with anger.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
It’s a bad pick. I don’t like Evans. He’s too much of a selfish player.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Yeah, but sometimes you need that from a PG...
Nobody seems to mind it in Felton.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
Great nickname, you lazy-eyed idiot.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Back to back picks for the Wolves, and at 5 they take Rubio. Kings fan apoplectic that Ricky’s going to Minny, while the MSG crowd chants “USA! USA!”
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions
Hmm...looks like they weren't scared off by their most recent Euro PG disaster
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Do the T-Wolves take Curry and trade him to the Knicks and snag DeRozan? That seems like the most logical move.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Great idea, but wouldn’t the pairing of Ricky/Steph be an offensive dream (ignore the defensive nightmare)?
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't mind if neither of your guards can go to the hole?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m confident Ricky will be able to drive and kick.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but if he can't finish, they're gonna be able to cover that, no?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
TBD. That’ll make or break him. I see his best-case scenario offense developing like Rondo in the half court, and way better than him in transition, as a younger player. It’ll be really tough in the first year or two.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha...he now knows what is draft.
Good for him.
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3 AM in the morning?
As opposed to 3 AM in the afternoon?
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Flynn to the Wolves at 6! They’ve gotta be trading him.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions
Sources say Rubio getting traded to the Knicks.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
Curry to the Yay Area, and Knicks fans go crazy.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
Jordan Hill? Not a player I’d think they’d trade. Boos in the Garden.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
Jordan Hill...
How…awkward-looking
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Please take DeRozan.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
There goes DeRozan to the Raptors. They’re looking to replace Anthony Parker, so it makes plenty of sense.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions
It’s not an immediate replacement. He’s a couple years away from really helping anyone.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
dont know about that. i think they’ll hope he plays right away and grows into the position.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Jennings to the Bucks at 10. Now what happens to Ramon Sessions?
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
Was my thought too.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
He plays the off guard and scores.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Williams to the Nets clears the way for us to take Henderson. That’s the CW from everything I’ve been reading the past few hours.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions
YAY!
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Stuart Scott is a very ugly man.
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I hope you're talking about the lazy eye.
If a man doesn’t have the capacity to catch a football, he deserves to get hit in the face and be injured forever.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha...a commercial in the first round?
It MUST be time for a North Carolina team to pick!
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They also did one before the Bucks pick. Small markets unite!
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but this is a recurring theme...
Panthers, Bobbies, Hurricanes (yes, the NHL draft is indeed televised.)
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobcats take Gerald Henderson. Playing it safe.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
Safe? How do you figure?
He’s going to keep improving, just as he has every year in college.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Gerald and Gerald vs. Dell and Steph, right now. Who ya’ got? I’d have to think the Geralds have an edge.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
Wait, he’s a scratch golfer? That’s why MJ took him!
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
Hansbrough+Jeff Foster=
The most unathletic frontcourt in history.
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LOVE the overrated chants. Way to know your sports, NY kids.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait until someone criticizes them for being able to throw out a lineup of Foster, Hansbrough, Murphy, Dunleavy, and Diener.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
Posting rumors with the same graphics as trades=NOT COOL
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Suns get Earl Clark… And Brandon Jennings appears out of nowhere!
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
The Brandon Jennings move is as bitchy as I've ever seen.
If you’re too much of a pussy to show up at the beginning, don’t show up halfway through.
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Between that...
and the fact that the kid wanted to come home after making HIS OWN DECISION to go to Europe, I seriously question his makeup.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget: he publicly ripped Rubio, too.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, that's draft position gamesmanship.
That I can live with. In fact, I appreciate his honesty. Whether he’s right or not, of course, is subject to interpretation.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh my God! That’s Brandon Jennings’s music!
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
Brandon Jennings comes off as a bitch for this move. He shows up AFTER he’s taken.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Such a bitch.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha...what's he bringing?
Long sleeves.
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Austin Daye to the Pistons. The combine killed a lot of his buzz. The Rich Man’s Ajinca?
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
The 1000+ calorie diet man's Ajinca
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And now I’m wondering even more about this, with Holiday and Lawson on the board, is Dumars still working on a Rondo deal? I’m not sure why he would talk about Stuckey as less of a PG and more of a combo guard, then go to the draft and pick Daye.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
James Johnson to the Bulls. For the upside crowd, this pick makes tons of sense. Dude can run the floor and play alongside Rose. Wherefore art thou, Jrue Holiday?
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
Jrue Holiday, last man standing in the green room, goes to the Sixers.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
T-Wolves take Lawson, making that three PGs. Somewhere, Bassy Telfair weeps.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
Bucher says Lawson to the Nuggets for the pick the Bobcats traded for Ajinca.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
How does our conditional pick work?
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
It was protected for this year up to pick 18, I believe, and I think this year it’s lottery protected, then the next year it’s top 10, and so on, or something like that.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It was lotto this year
Charlotte would retain it if it’s in the top 12 in 2010, top 10 in 2011, top eight in 2012 and top three in 2013. Charlotte would have no protection for the pick in 2014.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hawks take Teague. DeJuan Blair is gonna get on a pretty good team. Jazz?
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
Still no Rod Thorn, but Larry Brown is coming up on ESPN. MSG boos.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
Eric Maynor to the Jazz! Interesting pick, because he’s going to be behind Williams on the depth chart, but Williams is big enough to play alongside him.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
LB on TV. Talking about picking a Duke player… go against what Mark Jackson said and go away from a post player… Bell and Diaw trade made the team better, and the East is better… not much of substance.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
Hornets take Collison, and the run on backups begins?
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
Portland can’t pass on Blair, can they?
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions
Wow. Portland takes Victor Claver, a high upside foreigner they’ll stash away like Kopponen.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
Dallas takes Mullens and OKC takes a French point guard that Bucher says they’re gonna trade to Dallas for Mullens.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t get this?
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Taj Gibson to the Bulls at 26. Seriously, DeJuan Blair’s knees must be shot, or everyone thinks he’s gonna balloon back to 300 lbs, because it’s kind of ridiculous that someone who produced like he did for Pitt is falling this far.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
I want to grab him.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
How is Blair still on the Board??/
I mean dude dominated the #2 pick Thabeet in both match ups this year.
What if Blair and Thabeet are on the same team?
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Epic...
How is this possible….did everyone forget he exists? Did Jamie Dixon flip the bird to the entire NBA at some point this season?
Sounds like all but the diehards have left MSG. I’m sticking around until Blair gets picked or the 1st round ends, whichever comes first. Got a podcast to record and produce tonight.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
I like Carroll.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Seems like he’s got himself together more than some of the other guys, but will he really be better than Kyle Weaver? Every pick at this point, save Blair, is a crapshoot.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
David tell me......
how is this possible that Blair has slipped this far? This just feels like a chance for this guy to play the “eff you” chip on his shoulder card for the next 5 years.
Gotta be a combination of knees/weight. There’s no way everyone decided he sucks.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Weaver wasn't bad for OKC last year
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
TWolves picking at 28. Just take Patty Mills for PG number four.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
Wayne Ellington is the pick. Guaranteed contract for the Tar Heel.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Q Richardson traded for Darko! The Serbian Gangsta is headed for the Big Apple. Awesome.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
Toney Douglas picked by the Lakers for the Knicks. I guess Darko makes Blair superfluous?
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
Von Wafer was another FSU pick for them
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Cavs take Christian Eyenga, who was in the audience, and will shake Stern’s hand. The commish is amused.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
All right folks. I’m out. ESPN has nothing on Eyenga, and the sheer shock over Blair’s freefall is hanging over everything.
by David A. Arnott on Jun 25, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
Like they had nothing on Ajinca?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on, Patty Mills!
Portland doesn’t need a point, but Detroit could snatch him. The rest of the pool is pretty mediocre at this point, but I suppose Budinger could be an ok developmental prospect.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
I want either of these guys. I bet we take Nick Calthes.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Nah...
We need the help now.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What the fuck?
Who is this douche? He got worse every season, he can’t shoot, and he can’t rebound. BUT HE JUMPS SUPER HIGH!
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And he's a tweener, at that!
Why in god’s name would we want another one of those?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Jordan loves his tweeners.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
He also loves winning 35% of his games.
See: every time some team has ever been dumb enough to put him in charge.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Derrick Brown. Meh.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Derrick Brown is a quiet leader and a dedicated learner...not just a raw talent.
He has a fiery streak, but he’ll have to control and express this to its fullest in order to become a difference maker in the NBA.
He’s pretty mature and comes from a strong system at XU that emphasizes defense and selfless play. His numbers could easily be 20 ppg, but he shared the load with 7 other guys in the rotation.
I don’t know what the Bobcats need, other than getting healthy, but I think Brown can help any NBA team based on his physical and mental makeup.
People are saying he slipped because of 2 things: 1) he takes plays and series off, and he doesn’t use his right off the dribble well yet.
Really, what you’re looking at is a player that totally bought into a system, put the team first, and that’s why he’s pretty good at many things (and getting better believe me, he used to just dunk that’s it) but kind of appears passive or just unpolished. I’d say he’s well rounded but not polished, make sense? haha, whatever, I hope he works out for your team and I’ll definately be rooting for the Bobcats.
PS, please tell MJ to shut up. His Duke jokes were overbearing and lacked tact and consideration. I could just see Larry mopping that situation up. Jordan is a classic narcissist.
Every report I've seen...
Says he can’t score, can’t rebound, and can’t defend. But I hear he’d be a great member of a track & field team.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Says he can’t score (NOT TRUE), can’t rebound (NOT TRUE), and can’t defend (NOT TRUE). But I hear he’d be a great member of a track & field team.
Look, I’m a bengals fan so I know what it’s like to root for a crappy franchise, but Brown is a good value pick in the 2nd round and I think you’ll be happy with his development. I’ll say this, anytime Brown had to improve a part of his game, HE DID.
Freshman year: a highlight reel dunker who needed to rebound more and shoot from mid range
Sophmore year: became a great rebounder and developed a mid range jumper, needed a 3 point shot and off the dribble moves
Junior year: a clutch 3 point shooter with good percentage, better off the dribble (still not great)
By the time of yesterday’s draft Brown has become a well rounded player. Again, if you want eye popping stats you’d have to look at a guy who wasn’t in a 8 man rotation and wasn’t asked to be equally tough rebounding, scoring, defending, and passing.
Brown is working his ass off and he will prove you guys wrong. He’s also got smarts and comes from a good family. I just don’t see how you’d be this disappointed.
OK…here are my problems with the kid: he played 30 MPG over the past two years (which is starter’s minutes, regardless of how many players were in the rotation), but he only managed 6 boards a game. That’s hardly what I’d call “great” rebounding from a PF, particularly when 2 of those were on offense. His FG% fell every year in college, and he turns the ball over a lot for a guy who didn’t see the ball much. I understand he has defensive potential because he’s relatively long and he moves well, but he was never much of a shot-blocker or a guy who racked up many steals. I understand that you think he could develop into a good wing player, but that’s not what we need. As an NBA PF, he’s short, small, and he has no post game. Thus, skills like his developing perimeter shot don’t really help us, because we need frontcourt depth.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No way Mills get past PG land in Minnesota.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Haha...
Well I guess they do need another one down the road.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Pff...
More likely some stiff like Blake Griffin’s little brother. MJ probably doesn’t know the difference…too busy playing golf.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
There aren’t any Tar Heels left? Oh no.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I'm sure Jeff McInnis is available.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
ha...Jordan is upset.
He heard there was a Griffin kid in this draft who’s REALLY good.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And how about the Suns and worse brothers?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Blair and McClinton is a good pick.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Indeed.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't be upset with...
Mills, Lyons, Heytvelt, Jerrells, Baby Pargo, Christmas, Jeff Adrien, John Bryant
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
There goes another potential Felton replacement.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions
So very close. God damn if we pass on Mills twice I want Proton to come up here and shoot me.
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Procton.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Murder-suicide.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
C- Okafor, Diop, Nazr
PF- Diaw, Brown
SF-Wallce, Vlad
SG- Bell, Henderson
PG- DJ, Felton
Whoever we pick is resident 12th man and Wallace insurance I guess?
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I sure as shit HOPE Brown isn't our primary backup at the 4.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
WHo is backup at the 4
May for league minimum?
by andrewlail76 on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully another FA.
Brown can’t rebound or defend in the post.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Vaden's not bad, but we didn't need to draft him.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
He's a pure shooter...can hit dozens in a row.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Will he ever really see the court?
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Maybe...
He’s no worse than Shannon Brown or Cartier Martin.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well there you go.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Can this guy jump like Shannon
We need him back
That way we have coach brown and 2 “Browns” as players
by andrewlail76 on Jun 25, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
26" no-step, 29.5" max
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
From nbadraft.net
Charlotte grabs another stellar college player in UAB’s Robert Vaden. He’s not a flashy guy or a top-flight athlete, but he has outstanding range on his jumper and he can score from anywhere on the floor. He was among the most consistent scorers in college hoops, but might struggle to get his own shot against NBA defenders.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Although NBA.com apparently didn't like him as much:
Their entire analysis: “Volume shooter”
And ESPN: “Vaden is a terrific shooter, but he’s old and a bit one-dimensional. I don’t love this pick for Charlotte.”
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This FO needs to be congratulated for not messing up the first pick but the rest of this draft sucks.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Maybe somebody can bail us out like OKC did last year.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobcats trade Vaden for cash.
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The Thunder sure do love them some mediocre Bobbies' second-round picks.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
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