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Gameday Preview Charlotte Bobcats vs Philadelphia 76ers

Pump Up Music: Wilson Phillips -- "Hold On"

(Via my friend Anya)


 

The Big Picture: At least the Bobcats aren't the 76ers right now. They've lost eight in a row and are so desperate for guard help they've brought back the corpse of Allen Iverson. What's worse, they have two legitimate All Stars on the roster, but one, Elton Brand, has lost all semblance of that All Star-dom and is coming off the bench now. They're trying to trade him, but he's got so many years left, I'm not sure there are going to be any takers unless the Sixers get back totally useless players.

Star-divide

The good news for Philly fans, though, is that they do have Andre Iguodala, and when Louis Williams gets back, they'll have their pilot for a group of young run 'n gunners. Right now, though, they're casting around for something that works.

Key to Victory: The last time they played, Iguodala got his, and Brand stepped up to bully around the smaller Boris Diaw. This time around, without Williams running the point for the Sixers, the Cats can try to short circuit the Sixers' offense at the source. Iverson won't play tonight, and even if he did he's not a real point guard. Willie Green and Royal Ivey aren't exactly floor captains. They would like to use rookie Jrue Holiday in that role, but he's still learning the position, since he didn't carry much point guard duty at UCLA.

I like when the Bobcats pick spots to apply full court pressure, and they should kick it up a notch tonight. Maybe that plays into the Sixers' hands and allows them a more open floor, but if it does, that's what in-game adjustments are for. I'd like to see our guys take a chance early and make Philly prove they have the ballhandlers to bring the ball up the floor against some pressure and then run the offense in a compressed time frame.

Detail That May Interest .08% of You: Sixers coach Eddie Jordan led the NBA in steals while playing for the New Jersey Nets in the 1978-79 season.

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Let’s give them DJ and Diop for Brand, and Diaw can ride the pine

by andrewlail76 on Dec 5, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

If they can pull that one off then Hell Yeah!

Maybe the Cats can work a three way trade that gets them Boozer. I heard Utah is still trying to move him too.

by dudemanhey on Dec 5, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I would much rather get Boozer then Brand...

David whats up with this pump down song with big girls club…We better redeem ourselves tonight that’s all I’m gonna say…I’m still furious from last night

I have been reading that lots people have been suggesting trading for Brand…but guys I really don’t see the point in taking on his contract and there also must be a reason hes riding the bench…

by jay23 on Dec 5, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s riding the pine because he still has the stink of the Clippers on him.

by jj24 on Dec 5, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Boozer would cost half the Bobcats franchise. That means Wallce and a high draft pick.(Because Wallace is underrated.) The Bobcats wouldn’t get much, if any, stronger.

by jj24 on Dec 5, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a litte confused by these trade scenarios.

Boozer is an expiring contract. As talented as he is, why would we want to give up a prospect in Augustin for a guy who’s going to leave?

Brand is making $14 million per. Do you really want the team to pay $14 mil for a guy putting up Boris Diaw numbers? I sure don’t.

Augustin has to remain untouchable until (and if) Felton’s deal can be extended. Worst case scenario is trading DJ then losing Felton in FA. Now the team has no PG.

I can understand why people want to make trades, but can we put a moratorium on the ‘Bobcats send trash for all-stars’ suggestions?

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Dec 5, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well James

part of the problem is the Brown factor. According to Brown we’re dripping in guards and can’t afford to dump our front men without replacing them with something better. Therefore, any trade that doesn’t include at least one guard is unrealistic. Truth be told, the team IS guard heavy. What I’m expecting to occur is one of two scenarios. The first, which I hope is not the case but I fear is the most likely, is that we continue in a holding pattern until league rules allow for the trading of Stephen Jackson. At that point we shop Jackson and Diaw for a solid power forward, throwing Augustin on the pile if necessary as a carrot to close the deal on a strong starting front man. I hate this deal because we get rid of our second best player simply because it part of the original plan. It shows a gross lack of adaptability on the part of the Front Office. Jackson has worked out better as a catalyst for the team than anyone could have suspected. He came in showing the same passion as Wallace – and I credit Wallace for that. Jax has earned his place on this team. I fear this is still the most likely way the Cats will go simply because the FO isn’t showing any sign of flexibility in their thinking at all.

The second choice, which I think is just as viable and will help the team quite a bit more, involves primarily the guards. Both Felton and Augustin have contracts that expire at the end of the season. We can try to trade them now or plan to try to re-sign them in the off season. Inking new deals is going to cost us quite a bit of new money for several years. The way they handled Okafor’s contract renewal tells us the team already tends to overpay and regret it later. I don’t think either Augustin or Felton are worth a new and overly inflated contract. We have Jackson (assuming we do the right thing and keep him) who is rock solid. We also have Henderson who is showing promise with what limited time we’ve seen and we have him for another season with an option for a third. Utility guards are the most commonly available players in the league. Felton and Augustin are expendable – Flip Murray only slightly less so. If we unload Murray we actually save some cap money for next season. What I believe is that the Cats should package two of these three men along with Diop or Diaw (largely just to get rid of their money on the cap) and shop them around for a power forward with either an expiring contract, or with short term papers. That way we can get someone for this season’s immediate needs, and still be able to open up room for 2010-2011.

To make the deal perfect we still need to do something the Cats FO is very unlikely to do. Open the wallet, and offer $7 million or so to buy out the remainder of Chandler’s contract so he can become a free agent at the end of the season. He gets that money as a bumper to go along with whatever he can garner on the Free Agent market so it’s a BIG incentive to Chandler. If the Cats do this – along with the deal I mentioned above, we can free up as much as $20 million for next year’s cap that WE can spend in the market, in addition to $25 million for 2011-2012. That should get us a pretty potent player of our choosing and make us immediate contenders to battle the Celtics and Cavs on level ground for the first time in team history as early as next season.

It would completely turn around the fortunes of this club. But because it involves opening the vault, the Cats will likely ignore the second half of what needs to be done and crawl along with only the first deal in place. But I really do believe the guards/Diaw deal – or something that looks almost identical to it – is what’s being shopped around the league to Indiana, Philly, Chicago, and several other clubs. One of them is going to bite and as a result the Bobcats will improve a fair amount when it’s likely too late to salvage this season.

I wish the Cats management would realize the massive benefits of buying out the high-money contracts. If they were to do this they could complete the turnaround of this team immediately. Since they won’t, there is high risk it will all blow up in their faces and they’ll end up spending millions more than they need to in the long term. Failure to execute the buyouts will also make the team a very hard commodity to unload to another buyer – if as many seem to think that is Johnson’s primary goal in the first place.

Instead, they won’t make all the changes necessary and face the consequences of continued ownership in a mediocre white-elephant team that nobody will want to buy. Bob Johnson needs to learn an important lesson – you cannot stick a needle into a balloon slowly. No matter how you do it, all you get is a loud and potentially painful BANG.

by Ourdaywillcome on Dec 5, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't really know that Charlotte is or has been planning to trade Jax

There’s never been any credible source suggesting that to be the case. It’s all been speculation.

The longer D.J. rides the bench and plays like crap, the more I want to see him traded. Simple logic there huh? I, like many thought he would be our future at PG, and he still might be, but if we can cash in on his first year potential to get a solid 4 on the team I wouldn’t be complaining right now.

by and1droid on Dec 5, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Not true at all.

Stein at ESPN and Wojo at Yahoo both have discussed the fact that Jackson was acquired with an eye towards shopping him down the line as a possibility.

Also, as long as Augustin continues not to be given a chance to get on the court with any talent around him, he’s going to look bad.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Dec 5, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm...nope on the contracts.

Augustin’s under Bobcats control for each of the next three seasons, and would only hit the RFA market in the summer of 2012 if we didn’t extend him before that. Felton’s is, and he already showed this summer he won’t come back for anything short of $10 mil a year, which is ridiculous when guys like Andre Miller and Jason Kidd aren’t even being paid more than $8 mil.

I don’t know how you’re arguing that Okafor is “overpaid” when he’s one of the most consistently productive post players in the league, a guy who challenges for the NBA’s lead in FG% and rebounding every year while also providing more than solid defense that is often elite.

You’re also off on Henderson, who wouldn’t even become an RFA until 2013 if they want to keep extending him. I also don’t know how Murray is somehow less expendable given that he’ll somehow save cap space next year; he’s on a one-year deal for the biannual exception. If we trade two of our three point guards, how the hell does that improve our team this year? Is Augustin, Murray, or Felton just going to play 48 minutes every night?

And why would you figure that Chandler would take $7 million when he’s already guaranteed $13 mil for next year? (This also ignores the fact that the CBA sets the maximum buyout of an option year at half of the option’s value, which would be about $600K short of $7 mil.) I don’t know if you’ve, you know, watched him, but he’d be lucky to scrape up even the MLE. He’s awful, and would be something like an eighth man on a team that could use him as he’s best suited at this point. No bad to mediocre team is going to sign him thinking he’ll take them to the next level. He’s had that chance and failed miserably this year.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Dec 5, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Contracts

Augustin – 2.540 million for next year. After next year his contract is listed as “team option” which means we hold the option in 2011. We can sign him for $3.23 million or drop him. So I was indeed off by one year on Augustin – but his salary is insignificant enough that he still qualifies as trade bait. As I did state, if we don’t trade Felton this year we’ll either have to cough up huge bucks (as you also noted) or lose him and get nothing whatsoever in return.

I am NOT off on Henderson. He too is “team option” after next season as I stated. Your saying he wont become a RFA until 2013 is correct ONLY if we keep extending him. If we choose not to pick up his option he’s gone as soon as the end of next season. My comment on him said we have another season to see how he develops. That would make HIM the backup point next season where he can either sink or swim and we can make an informed decision as to whether or not to pick up his option. Murray is definitely expendable and if you’ve read my other posts you will be able to note that I’ve listed several options ALL involving guards because they are where the team is topheavy and where we have the most options for trade movement.

I say Chandler can be bought out because he can put himself on the Free Agent market and as long as he can pull more than $6 million there, he makes a profit. I didn’t say we could buy him out for a specific $7 million as the phrase “or so” indicates. In buying him out every dime under $12.75 million is money saved for next season because as you yourself have stated, there isn’t a chance in hell Chandler won’t pick up that option. Every dime under $11.85 million is money made available for THIS season. You want money available? There’s some money. As I also said, if we can work either Diaw (9 million) or Diop (6.48 million) into a deal that’s ALSO money saved off the cap that can go toward a power forward’s salary.

We can easily afford to lose at least 2 guards and either Diaw or Diop and you need an appointment with an Optometrist if you can’t see that.

Oh, and as to Okafor being overpaid – I know you love the dude and think he walks on water, but the fact is that Bobcats management felt they had overpaid him and that’s why they wanted to get rid of him. It wasn’t HIM, it was his CONTRACT they were desperate to unload. The NBA sites are FULL of almost daily accounts of the efforts the Hornets are making to trade Okafor for the exact same reason – he eats too much of the salary cap for a second-level NBA market. He’s worth the money and a team in a major market like LA or Boston that doesn’t give a rat’s patootie about the luxury cap or payroll overages would be lucky to have him. But Okafor has priced himself out of the affordability of almost every team in the NBA.
That’s all there is to it.

So, in adding it all up I made one small error (a whole season) out of all of the points I made regarding salaries, options, caps, trades, and fiscal advantages. Mea culpa. Yet even with that error, every single combination or variable combination I made remains viable. Every bit of ink I can find regarding the offers the Bobcats are shopping around the league at present mentions the exact sort of trade I’ve written of. It’s either going to happen or they won’t be able to find a team to take them up on it. But like it or not, these ARE the trades the Bobcats are working toward.

by Ourdaywillcome on Dec 5, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't talking just about losing guards, but specifically point guards.

I’m convinced Felton wont we a Bobcat in 2010. There will be a team willing to offer him the $10+ million he wants (see NY) especially if his current play is any indication.

I think our roster is all out of moves right now unless we trade Stephen Jackson (when he can be packaged) or Boris Diaw.

Chandler has dimishined value, maybe some contender would give us something for Flip or Nazr at the deadline, and Felton would refuse a trade (most likely) unless we work a sign and trade to move him.

Everyone else (bar Wallace) is either undesirable or on a cheap rookie contract, which makes it very tough to get comparable talent unless you get someone on a rookie contract in return.

I agree we can afford to lose 2 guards, but it would out of Flip, Henderson, Law and Jackson. I stand by the assertation that it would be suicide for the future of the franchise to trade DJ Augustin without a safety net at PG.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Dec 6, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think RFAs can work out extensions mid-year.

As such, no sign-and-trade for Felton.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Dec 6, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you actually pay attention to the financial decisions made by NBA teams on rookie contracts?

Unless a player is a dismal failure, they’re going to get extended through at least the third year. You don’t decline a player’s option to save money, you decline a player’s option because they’re a flop along the lines of Oleskiy Pecherov or Alando Tucker. You claim Felton is a “great value” at nearly $6 mil this year, yet Augustin’s a dismal failure at barely over $3 mil? At the price of rookie contract salaries, players are worth keeping for nothing more than potential. For several obvious examples, see Ajinca, Alexis; May, Sean; and Morrison, Adam.

You yourself note that keeping Felton is stupid. He’ll cost a ridiculous amount of money, far more than he’s worth. But if we shouldn’t keep him and Augustin is expendable, what the hell do we do at PG going forward? You’re under the mistaken impression that Murray will be around, but he’s on a one-year deal and I certainly don’t see him projecting as a good starter next year. You also have Gerald Henderson as our backup PG in spite of the fact that: a. his abilities and mindset don’t fit the position, and b. he hasn’t played the position since at least high school. He’s much closer to being an SF (where he’s actually, you know, played this year) than he is a PG.

You ignored the notion that Chandler won’t get offered enough money to make up the difference of a theoretical buyout.

And you can talk about how much Okafor doesn’t fit on a small-market team all you want. But a team’s poor executive decisions aren’t his fault. Point out a player who’s not on a rookie deal and gets paid less to produce more. I haven’t found him.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Dec 6, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't the see Jazz wanting to trade Boozer right now

He’s really playing well for them. I know everyone said it looks like Boozer is leaving Utah so they might as well trade him, but he’s giving them much more than Milsap is right now.

by and1droid on Dec 5, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

How many folks thought the Cats could have gotten Stephen Jackson by only giving up Bell and Vlad Rad???

The only trades i would be in favor of are “trash for all-stars”. If the Cats are NOT getting the good end of the deal, then they should NOT make it.

by dudemanhey on Dec 5, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If you take on ridiculous contracts that'll hamper your team for years...

Are you really getting the “good end?”

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Dec 5, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Procton, you're not allowed to talk about ridiculous contracts that hamper the team for years

You lost all credibility for that argument by defending Elton Brand and his Toxic deal.

You may not have read this yet so I’ll say it again; You are here by forbidden to criticize the Bobcats for taking on bad contracts, no matter how bad they are. Your defense of Brand and his 14-18 million per year is complete hypocrisy.

by and1droid on Dec 5, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

Brand’s contract is the same length as Diop’s contract, and Diaw’s contract is only one year less. All three are overpaid, and I personally don’t want FElton on the Bobcats, but that’s primarily because of how he backstabbed the Clippers.

If Brand is washed up, then of course no team should trade for him. But if you believe there’s a decent chance he can bounce back to become at least an average starting PF, then I don’t see how his contract is that much worse than paying for Diaw and Diop.

by ClipCat on Dec 5, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Diaw gives you almost as much production as Brand

And is paid significantly less. Diaw also doesn’t have the history of injuries that Brand does.

I believe that Brand can play at an average level. Yes, but who wants to pay 15 mil a year for average? Again, he’s not that much better than Diaw, except on the defensive end. The Bobcats really need to focus on front court scoring help. You still can’t justify his awful contract.

You do make a decent point that Diop and Diaw together are still overpaid. Well, if that’s the case, then why would the Sixers go for it? Why would they make that trade unless they save a lot of money? So by that account, the trade doesn’t make sense for anyone.

The only real benefit that Brand brings is that he plays a tougher/better D style than Diaw. That’s good, but is it worth paying him 15+ mil per season? Is it? Just answer that question.

I say there’s better deals on the horizon for a player w/out the name/contract that Brand has. To get rid of Diop we’ll have to take on a bad contract for sure. That will happen, but I have yet to see anyone justify paying Brand the money that he’s making.

by and1droid on Dec 6, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a difference between Raja Bell/VladRad and Diaw/Diop

It was a buyers market for Jackson because of his horrible long term contract and locker room shananegans. Do I think we got the better end? Absolutely, but that was a rarified situation.

The problem is all anybody brings up is ‘trash for all stars’, assuming 90% of NBA GMs have brain damage and think Desagana Diop and his horrible contract is worth an expiring contract and a 20 and 10 guy in Carlos Boozer.

The Warriors will end up saving over $21 million by ditching Jackson. In getting either Brand or Boozer you’re asking them to take on comparable money over time and lose talent in 2009.; which is obscene to even suggest.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Dec 6, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea, instead paying Diaw his money for 13 points a game

we can pay Brand 14 mil for 13 points a game. Then we get to pay him more and more until his contract reaches 18.1 mil…all for 13 points a game and extended time out with injuries.

I agree we need help at the 4, but Brand’s contract is toxic.

by and1droid on Dec 5, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Brand's also a much, MUCH better rebounder...

Where Diaw performs at a good level…for a guard. He also offers very little on the defensive end, something Brand can provide regardless of his offensive output (which, yes, has been offensive thus far in Philly.)

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Dec 5, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying Brand is a bad player

Justify paying 14 mil this season, 15.9 mil the next and then 18.1 mil in the final season of his contract for 13 points, and 7, 8, 9 or even 10 rebounds a night.

Justify it according to his contract. If you’re going to respond to me, respond to what I’m actually saying.

by and1droid on Dec 5, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Brand has 6.7 rebounds per game this season

Diaw has 4.7 rebounds per game.

I agree, that is much, MUCH better!

Don’t pull the “he used to be a better rebounder” argument because we can all see that Brand has been slowed down significantly by age and injuries.

by and1droid on Dec 6, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

And we can also see that Diaw has been slowed down significantly by disinterest.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Dec 6, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You're not arguing facts

The fact is that Brand isn’t producing much more than Diaw, but will be paid far more.

The more you ignore that the more credibility you lose.

by and1droid on Dec 6, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaw is in our system.

He’s producing the way he’s going to produce. Brand, on the other hand, plays for another team. As such, there is potential upside in acquiring him. Yes, taking on his contract is a risk, but no more than taking on Diaw’s (which worked last year, but not so much this year) or Chandler’s. Why would we suddenly be averse to making such a move when it would finally make sense and actually address a need of the team (unlike, say, acquiring a big body who can’t do anything on the offensive end and even less the other way…Chandler was our third shot at that particular move)?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Dec 6, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

That's speculative at best. Deal in the facts please.

Again you’re not dealing in facts. Potential upside is code for “I don’t know how to make a fact base argument for why Brand is worth his contract.”

Chandler actually saves money. That’s why he’s not entirely relevant in this discussion. Brand and Chandler are alike in that they are way over paid for their production and are both injury prone.

Diaw torched Brand last night by the way. Just one game of course, but it was sure fun to watch!

by and1droid on Dec 6, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If saving money was a concern...

Why the hell did we trade for Steven Jackson?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Dec 7, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

That was my thing...

a PF thart will defend PFs effectively

by andrewlail76 on Dec 6, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Given that neither of you know any better than I do what the financial landscape of the NBA will be three years from now.

I’d say it’s pretty well impossible to know.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Dec 7, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm willing to bet 18 mil isn't worth 13 and 6

Hell I’ll be generous. 18 mil isn’t worth 15 and 8 either.

I’ll bet anyone who want to wager with me that Brand won’t be worth the final year of his contract.

Who wants to take that bet? I’ll bet as much as 18 mil.

by and1droid on Dec 7, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Mad props for the song choice David!

Choosing a song that was written to convince depressed people to hang in there and not choose suicide as an option was a stroke of genius. It pulled Brian WIlson out of his decade-long agorophobic depression and is a great reminder to us fans to hang in there. Thanks. I needed that!

And I’m finally in that .08% – I remember when Eddie Jordan was such a terror that teams used to devote at least one film session to teaching their point guards how to play with their backs to Jordan and to point out his hiding places so they’d know to LOOK before making what could appear to be an easy pass but would only wind up getting poached when Jordan pounced.

I think this is your best gameday article of the season.

by Ourdaywillcome on Dec 5, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

Does Rufus really have to become a place where no decent comment goes undissed?

by Ourdaywillcome on Dec 5, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry Ourday...

my inner Procto came out for no reason. Deep down I also like Wilson Phillips.

Blogging at Ridiculous Upside, where my terrible writing meets people's eyes.

by Aisander D on Dec 5, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

An inner Procto would have just told ourday to suck his dick

Apparently Procton enjoys soliciting male on male action from the internet

by and1droid on Dec 6, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

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