Bobcats Fall to Celtics 108-90
So much for the exuberance of a four game winning streak. The Celtics came in to the Cable Box and swatted the Bobcats 108-90.
Reality is rarely blunt because it's a massive cloud of mixed signals. The past four games were tantalizing, and then this game was devastating, seemingly indicative of a massive talent gap between the East's elite and the Cats. I don't know what the precise, objectively real, truth is, but I'm pretty certain that on average it won't end up this bad. It's why I've tried to temper the optimism brought on by those recent games. We're better than we were three weeks ago, but that doesn't mean we're so much better that we can start printing playoff tickets. This team still has a long way to go, and sustained success will not come free with purchase of one Stephen Jackson.
Highlights and lowlights after the jump.
BAD-- I mentioned this in the game thread several times, but it bears special highlighting here. Larry Brown's decisions probably wouldn't have swung the game, but his handling of Gerald Wallace's "foul trouble" was insane. Crash played 5:31 in the first quarter before getting his second foul, at which point LB removed him and didn't bring him back until the second half. So, of course, late in the fourth quarter, Wallace had played every minute of the second half without committing a foul. Crash played fewer than 30 minutes in this game, but not because of foul trouble. It was because Larry Brown doesn't know how to handle a lineup rotation. Gerald didn't score much (1-6 from the field), but damned if he didn't rebound like mad again.
-- 2-11 from three. This is almost comical now. Stop shooting threes. Put the ball on the floor. Attack the rim.
-- Tyson Chandler has to be a defensive beast to be worthwhile. He hasn't been, whether due to injury or whatever. His offense is what it is, though, and we've got to figure out how best to use him. I don't care that Nazr Mohammed has looked perfectly reasonable in the early season: Nazr Mohammed is the best answer only if you're asking the wrong question. I still have hope Chandler will be the defensive anchor that makes our defense elite, not just very good, but his offense is so grisly that other teams have taken to ignoring him.
-- Flip, my man. If you're the designated scorer off the bench, it'd help to work on your scoring efficiency. 2-12 shooting is pretty bad.
GOOD
-- Nazr Mohammed scored 16 points on 6-10 shooting in 19 minutes. He's in great shape and playing okay defense, too. Do I hear a second round draft pick and an expiring contract attached to a useless player?
-- Boris Diaw actually scored, going 5-10 from the field, including 2-3 from beyond the arc. 1 assist and 2 rebounds is pretty tough to accept from the power forward position, though.
-- We continue to see Good Felton. Yes, he took more shots than we'd like to see from a point guard, but he was reasonably efficient and turned it over only once.
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What? I hope you mean for chandler
Do I hear a second round draft pick and an expiring contract attached to a useless player?
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
The odds of Mohammed sustaining his play all season are extremely low.
by David A. Arnott on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
true
i like the odds of us trading him to a contender for a draft pick more than him staying at this level
by OldschoolBlue on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Frankly...
Contenders are there because they’re smart enough not to put players like Mohammed with salaries like his on their roster. Don’t see it happening unless we take a crap contract back.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 1, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
well does anyone really know what a motivated Mohammed given regular playing time can do?
i think he could keep ~10pts 5rebs off the bench going
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
Yes.
He’s had the chance many, many times for teams much better than this. And at his very out of his head best, he’s probably an 8-5 player in 20 or 25 minutes a game. That’s not worth the money you have to pay for him.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 3, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Umm...
The entirety of his decidedly mediocre 12-year career?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 1, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
1. That was then. This is now. Nazr is in the best shape of his life and seems like he wants it bad.
2. Who asked you, Procto? The Bobcats win 4 in a row and your absent from most of these posts. Now they lose and God, you’re lovin’ it!
3. Despite having 3 seasons in which Nazr averaged less than 2 ppg, his career average is 6.8 ppg. Five of his twelve years in the NBA he has averaged over 9 ppg. And considering his improved conditioning an increased minutes this season from last, it is NOT unreasonable to assume that Nazr could easily maintain (or improve upon) his season averages of 7.3 ppg and 4.3 rpg.
Yeah, how dare I not post hourly when on vacation for the holiday?!?!?!
Aside from the fact that I have the benefit of a life (unlike, apparently, you), I also have the skill of reviewing a player’s history. And career years don’t come in a player’s 12th season when they’re 32 years old. It just doesn’t happen. Mohammed is, at his best, about an 8-6 player in 25 minutes. And if he’s playing that many minutes in spite of the fact that we’re paying a player we traded for $13 million+ to be the starter, there are big problems.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 2, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
that is correct...
any time there is a win streak he’s silent…or he takes lots of vacations…
by andrewlail76 on Dec 2, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't happen very often.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 3, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ignore that!
He’s experiencing an unheard-of rebirth as a 32-year old! Duh.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 2, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
How about two trades, and both Nazr and Chandler go
It’s not very likely to happen, but it sure would clean up the books, open some future cap space and maybe even hasten the sale of the franchise. Probably just wishful thinking, but I’d trade anyone that’s not on a rookie contract or named Crash for a 2nd rounder and an expiring contract.
BUT WE HAVE TO WIN 50 GAMES AND WIN THE CONFERENCE!!!
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 3, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Nazr cant play more than 20 minutes on a consistant basis throughout the whole season at this point in his career
it took this team years to accept morrison and may were bad draft picks, i dont see them trading chandler less than 20 games into the season.
Fixed
Nazr cant couldn’t ever play more than 20 minutes on a consistant basis throughout the whole season at this at any point in his career
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 1, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
At least THIS beat down was to the hands of maybe the best team in the NBA
Right now the C’s are probably the favorite to win it all.
Up next New Jersey. The Bobcats can NOT let the Nets end their losing streak against them!
Gerald Wallace
Two fouls in the first quarter. Zero fouls the rest of the game. Why did he sit the entire second quarter?
larry brown has trouble managing personell effectively
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
He's a trash-talking douche.
Mohammed was trying to calm him down, and he pseudo-elbowed Nazr and then they got into each other’s faces. Nazr got T’d, good times.
Blogging at Ridiculous Upside, where my terrible writing meets people's eyes.
KG is a punk, more or less.
Rough play. Didn’t go Garnett’s way. Mohammed went up to KG afterward to give him five. Garnett blew up and acted like a Billy Bad-ass. Nazr was like, “F you, KG. I just came to give you five!” Nzar got a technical. Played his ass off for the remainder of the game. KG continued acted like a punk for the remainder of the game. Both finished with 16 points.
I used to love KG in Minnesota
back when he was going to war in the playoffs with AK’s, grenade launchers, and uzis. I agree with whoever mentioned it earlier. He turned into a cocky b****. I hope they dont win another championship even though I think this will probably be their year.
David, you forgot about the inspired play of Gerald Henderson.....
he was +13 in garbage time.
Blogging at Ridiculous Upside, where my terrible writing meets people's eyes.
You hurt your own case.
That it come in garbage time kinda invalidates that stat on its face.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 1, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I know...
I was being sarcastic. Though on the whole he looked pretty decent out there. Should get more minutes.
Blogging at Ridiculous Upside, where my terrible writing meets people's eyes.
I concur.
But the addition of a mediocre vet like Murray to a Brown-coached team was the death knell to significant PT for him.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 2, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry kids...
Playoff teams aren’t made in week-long stretches.
And Chandler hasn’t been a defensive beast because…he’s just not that good.
Murray will never be an efficient offensive player. Never has been, and he’s not exactly in a role that’s conducive to it.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
Lottery teams...
aren’t made from one-game stretches
by Stevarino on Dec 1, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right.
They’re made from years of bad decisions. And we’ve certainly got that going for us.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 1, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, lighten up. It's one game.
Yes, the cats inability to compete with the Celtics is a worry, but they (the C’s) are a very good team. As Mr. Mann states, we’re still in 7th place. There’s a lot of games to play and you never have anything positive to say even when there are positives. You need to chill because you make people think you’re not a fan by constantly posting negative comments. I know that’s not true because you obviously care enough to post here regularly, but you certainly aren’t making any argument to show otherwise. Telling people to “suck your d***” does not persuade anyone.
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is.
by WhatAboutBob_cats on Dec 2, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
7th place means nothing after a whopping 17 games. We’re a single game out of 12th.
I’ve said plenty about the addition of Jackson improving the team (just not to a 50-win championship contending level), I’ve always supported Wallace and Okafor, and I never gave up on Morrison (although most did after about his second week here.)
As I’ve said before, I don’t need anybody else to validate my fandom of this team. And I respond to people’s vulgarity and personal attacks in kind (if not far less personally.) I haven’t seen you lecture them, and since Mr. Arnott refuses to enforce the site’s code of conduct, it’s pretty much the only option.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 2, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
I’m a Bills fan that lives in NC. I know what it’s like to suffer long stretches of front office bungling. That can hurt a team more than anything(like it has with the Bils and Bobcats.) Both teams draft poorly(to be fair, the NBA only has two rounds). The Okafor trade was, and still is, absurd. Chandler hasn’t played near his potential since the Hornets had to play in Oklahoma. Also, at that time, he had Chris Paul as his PG, a still effective Peja, a blossoming David West, and many other solid contributors on the team. Now he’s replacing Okafor, one of the two best players the Cats had, and he’s a shadow of his former “better than average” self.
Don’t sweat it. Sometimes the homers can’t handle a realist.
Just as there's a difference between optimism and constant, delusional understanding.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 2, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
*interpretation.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 2, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
when you grow up (literally not figuratively) maybe people will listen to you
Considering you are a young (and probably not very popular) college twerp, your youthful ignorance is forgivable. Any lecture you attempt to give me – on any topic: athletics, philosophy, whatever – is worth as much as i am paying you to give it.
I understand nuance on many levels. Something you seem to not. I do not think like a computer, everything is not 0’s or 1’s. The world is not binary. If you asked MY players, “is coach an optimist?” they’d say, “Hell no!” I see the worst in every game i coach. But i also see the positive, and i am pretty good at evaluating talent.
The Bobcats have been struggling mightily for their entire (but short lived) existence. However, anyone can’t aknowledge the progress that the Bobcats have made in the last 5 years or who doesn’t see the potential for success on their immediate horizon is not a realist. Reality is pointing to a convergence of opportunity and preparation. A realist doesn’t see a 4 game winning streak in which opponents are dominated by an improving team on the rise as blip on the radar screen. They see it as a step in the right direction. A realist doesn’t see a home loss to the best team in the NBA a sign that a team is doomed to a 37 win season. They would see it as an expected loss that can be a learning experience, a stepping stone to further improvement.
But know this: Just because some other PESSIMIST (that’s you jj24) tells you to hang in there doesn’t make you a realist.
http://www.rufusonfire.com/2009/8/14/990021/community-expectations-for-rufus
Can I suggest everyone reads this before posting anything else?
If nothing more than to cool hot heads.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Dec 2, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't really matter if the mod of the site never enforces them.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 3, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
The Bobcats have made improvements BY DEFAULT!
For each of their first four years in the league, they were limited in the amount of money they could spend on payroll. As that cap progressively raised, they had more money to spend on players (no matter how foolishly-see Mohammed, Nazr; Diop, DeSagana; and Chandler, Tyson.) So we’re now a team that consistently lands in the bottom of the lottery instead of the top? What’s the difference? Neither is a success.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 3, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Success isn't made over night
Things take time. This franchise is only 5 years old, and in a regional market. It is not realistic to expect a team to propel themselves to the top of the NBA without first taking their lumps in lottery purgatory and gradually becoming a playoff team. Only then can a franchise hope to actually have success in the playoffs. This is a formula that requires years, if not decades, to properly work. I know 5 years seems like a long time for a kid, but as you grow up you’ll realize how little time 5 years really is.
As a college a student i would not expect you to understand such concepts as patients, or building something from the ground up. Most kids your age have most likely only been exposed to the modern culture of instant gratification. With cell phones and the internet, information is available to you at a moment’s notice and i can see how a world built like this could make everything seem like it’s easily attainable — even immediate success in the NBA playoffs.
But that’s not reality. Reality is that in most things in life it takes time to be successful. Reality also is that if the Bobcats are a .500 team and/or make the playoffs this season, then this season has been a success. You can spin an early playoff exit however you choose, but a trip to the NBA playoffs that doesn’t produce a championship is not a bad thing for the youngest franchise in the business.
And as an adult...
I would expect you to be able to spell words like “patience.” But, I guess that’s another example of my misguided reality.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 4, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Of course that is the only thing you COULD respond to....
…because you have no other rebuttal.
Lemme guess your major: English! Political science? It would have to be something along those lines because it is pretty obvious a kid of your intellect wouldn’t be able do anything else. Just what the world needs: Another brat educated beyond his intelligence. I’m sure you’ll be able to get a great job when you finish. And since you have such a great penchant for patience, hard work, and respect of authority – plus a winning personality – I am certain you will be most successful in the real world.
Since you don’t have the intellect to rebut anybody with anything substantial and logical, you rely on semantic games – responding to one sentence of 100. It’s quite predictable at this point and only makes you look petty. You can not effectively respond to any of my points, so you point out the only grammatical error in the post: a misuse of a homonym “patients” verses “patience”. Wow, Brainiac, u sher b smarter then i is!
Of course you could not effectively comment on the actual subject matter of my post. Because any unbiased observer (that is not a douche bag), understands that a successful NBA franchise is not made overnight. There is very little that that could have been done differently by this franchise that would make them anything close to a contender at this very early stage in their existence. Name one NBA expansion team that has any quick success. The OKC Thunder are the closest of any, but that is as much good fortune in the draft and draft lottery than anything else. Kevin Durant fell right into their laps and has greatly excelerated that franchise’s progress. (The Cats could have taken Brandon Roy instead of Morrison. you would have loved that huh, Procto? oh yeah you were an AmMo fan Should have taken Brook Lopez instead of DJ too. But I’ve already heard your ridiculous take on how Lopez would somehow suck if he was a Bobcat).
But since you did not respond to anything but the grammar, i will take that as a sign that deep down you know that your expectations for this Bobcats franchise are unrealistic and were formed in your head because you are a spoiled brat that has been taught that throwing tantrums gets you what you want immediately. But since you’re still just a little kid, you still have time to grow up and learn that the world doesn’t work like that. Hissy fits and smart ass remarks might work on Mommy and Daddy, but the rest of the world is going to see you for what you truly are: A punk kid who doesn’t know everything he thinks he knows, with a strong need for an attitude adjustment..
I don't know what makes me the "little kid..."
When you’re the one who constantly resorts to personal attacks and crude vulgarity. And no, I don’t need this team to have immediate success. I want them to have a plan. And as I, JtA, and others have constantly pointed out, there simply doesn’t seem to be one. I’d be happy for them to have finished with 20 wins each of the first five seasons so that they could build around solid high draft picks (just as the Thunder have.) But they’ve done something much more silly. They’ve spent tons of money on payroll and the staff to build a team whose peak upside is the mediocrity of an outmatched #8 seed. That. is. stupid. But hey, you enjoy that “playoff push” that ends up in, at best, four April blowouts, and at worst, you losing yourself when they finish a game or three out of the playoffs altogether.
P.S.: When a word (like “excelerated” [sic]) is misspelled and someone points it out, it’s not a criticism of your grammar. It’s just your spelling. But I guess you’re just a slow adult who doesn’t know much of anything you think you do, with a strong need for an intellect adjustment.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 4, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I know.
It’s not that my feelings are hurt or any other such thing. I just feel like I can never get through, no matter how reasonable I try to be.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 2, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
On the bright side...
We lost by 18 to one of the best teams in the league, with horrible roster management that ended up having both Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson on court for less than 30 minutes each.
Meanwhile, Ray Allen played 36, Paul Pierce played 34, Perkins played 30 and Rondo played 32.
Our only started who played over 30 mins was Raymond Felton at 31. Coach Brown never gave us a shot to stick with their big guns.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Dec 1, 2009 10:42 PM EST reply actions
At some point, it doesn't matter.
We’re supposed to have a Hall of Fame coach who never missteps and will take us to the promise land. We also supposedly have a roster that’s a “lock” to make the playoffs and contend for the conference crown. Excuses are all well and good, but those two concepts should enhance each other, not limit them.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 2, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, I like that our starters didn't play big minutes
The Bobcats can’t continue to play Wallace heavy minutes and expect him to not wear down. After the Celtics jumped out to the early lead, Coach decided the game was a lost cause and saw an opportunity to rest Wallace. Not sure why he changed his mind and played him so much in the 2nd half though. And it’s too bad he didn’t take advantage of an opportunity to play the young guys more minutes.
Now I’ve talked myself out of giving Brown credit for good coaching, but at least he was honest about the team’s performance in his post-game comments. Maybe he could have accepted some of the blame himself for not having them prepared for the Celtics.
Nah...
I don’t think Brown did (or likely ever will) give up on a game before halftime even arrives. I do agree it’s pretty poor he did (and always does) nothing but blame the team when they come out flat. At some point, the coach has a job to do too.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 3, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, and I came around to that view before I even finished making that post. I had given up on the game pretty early, but you’re right that Brown didn’t. At least the game had the effect of reducing the PT for some of the more overworked Bobcats, but that’s about the only silver lining I can think of.
KG has no tact
I agree with all the previous statements about KG. I’ve always disliked Kevin Garnett… he’s such a douche getting into silly conflicts with people (Calderon, Nazr, even being a punk to teammates).
Is there any need to try and chew out poor Nazr, some simple guy playing from the bench trying his best to make an impact on a small team?
I thought KG never got into altercations with people his own size
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FASClJTnJ4I
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is.
by WhatAboutBob_cats on Dec 2, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
haha..thats a funny video
Lemarcus Aldrigde’s slap was funny as hell
Video was hilarious.
Im gonna go ahead and call KG getting his ass kicked before he retires. It’d be awesome if it was by a guard.
A few observations
First of all David, in examining your game thread matchups I have to say that you have a pretty fair assessment but I do think you missed Wallace setting a record for rebounds because of Ainge’s 1 for 300 behind the arc shooting. Also, Chandler would have missed the last 3 quarters of the game claiming injury caused by the second hand smoke from Red Auerbach’s cigar.
But seriously folks, I’m here all week. Try the veal!
As to what was supposed to be a pro basketball game tonight…
When LB pulled Wallace after the second foul I turned to my wife and said, “Oh golly, (okay it was a bit more profane than that) I hope to God Brown doesn’t plan to sit Wallace until the second half the way he does with Chandler!” No such luck. For the most part I’ve always defended LB’s coaching decisions but this was one of the all-time bonehead moves I’ve seen in what you all know now is many decades of watching games. By sitting Wallace, Brown allowed the Celtics to simply devour Jackson without having to sweat any activity elsewhere on the court.
From where I was sitting – which was close enough to the Cats bench that I could hear much of what Brown was shouting during the first half – the Charlotte Bobcats simply stopped playing offense once Wallace hit the bench. Felton was the only player on the team cutting into the lanes or driving the ball in the general direction of the basket. Brown was quickly up and yelling loudly at both Diaw and Chandler to stop standing around in the halfcourt. That is, until he noticed that Doc Rivers was standing ON the court whenever the action was at the Charlotte bench end. At that point he started yelling at the refs. There were also some ridiculously bad calls made at our end of the court at the start of the second quarter and both Chandler AND Brown were up off the bench yelling at refs. The guy seated beside me shook his head and said, “here come the techncials. This game is toast.”
Congrats to Chandler however, for actually getting into the 2nd quarter of a game – something he rarely manages to pull off.
The Bobcats, with the notable exception of Nazr and Felton, looked flat and uninspired for the entire game and the crowd was cheering for the Celtics louder than they were for the Cats for most of the night.
I feel that THIS game was the fluke, not the past 4. I don’t know what had them off their feed tonight, but this was a different team than the one that’s been taking the court for the past 5 games. The Celtics are one hell of a team when they set their minds to it and when you add in all the garbage calls and sneaky little dirty moves they pulled over the course of the night, they’re even harder to deal with.
On the plus side, Diaw was extending well and any lingering back problems seem to be gone. He should continue to improve from here on out.
We also scored a damned sight better than we did in our hideous opening game. Our defense went in the crapper the second Larry Brown opted to let the Eastern Conference PLayer of the Week collect dust for a quarter and a half.
If the team can't function without two specific players being on the court together at all times...
It’s probably not a very good team. You’ve acknowledged that this will become a particularly bad problem if and when either Jackson or Wallace gets hurt, but it’s a problem game-to-game if they get in foul trouble or simply have a bad night, as every player is prone to do from time to time. Fouls are also no excuse. Bad calls go both ways, and, as you’ve also harped on, a team should play better and get more calls at home. If it’s not working, you have to push through it; no other choice. And I can tell you’re not a frequent attender of games when you’re surprised that the crowd doesn’t actually care about rooting for the Bobcats, particularly with a marquee opponent with a decent national fanbase in town. And finally, I’ll repeat what I said above: Brown cannot be both a boon and a detractor to our success at the same time. If he’s costing us games, he cannot be the right choice for the team. If he’s the right choice for the team, he can’t cost us games. It’s that simple.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Dec 2, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with much of what you said
I’m not going to spend the rest of the season reminding you every night that I’ve never said the Bobcats were title contenders. I’ve said they were playoff contenders this season and, if they stayed healthy they had the potential to make a run at a 7 or 6 seed. That’s a far cry from calling them powerhouses. I didn’t say we lost tonight because of fouls or that the bad calls cost us the game either. You are correct, they are no excuse. There isn’t a team in sports that’s immune to having an off night and from my post it’s clear I felt this was an off night for the Bobcats. As their record clearly shows, the team DOES play better at home – even moreso since the Jackson trade. Oh, and as far as frequency of attendance goes, by your own admission I’ve been there quite a bit more than you have this season. The cheering for the Celtics grew as the night went on with the exception of any time Rasheed Wallace got called for a foul. The whole place erupted in cheers for that.
Where I greatly disagree with you is where you say a coach cannot be a boon and a detractor to success at the same time. I myself have made some rather brilliant adjustments when coaching that have generated wins. I’ve also missed some simple things I could have done in games that likely cost us a win. It comes with the territory. Tonight Larry Brown made a huge error. Unlike some who either drink the Koolaid and think he and the front office walk on water, or others who do nothing but complain that there is nothing these people can do right, I try to be objective enough to praise when things are done correctly and criticise when the converse is the case. I think most others here are the same way. As you so often point out, there are 82 games in the season. Larry Brown may cost us a few games because of an assinine move. But if he coaches us to more wins than he does losses he IS the right choice for the team. And it IS that simple.
If as a parent you wrongfully accuse your child of some offense he or she didn’t commit does that mean you aren’t the right choice to parent that child? Humans make mistakes. We’re wired that way. Larry Brown made one tonight and proved his humanity. I think the odds are good that he’ll repeat that mistake as well as some others like underutilizing his rookies and prove that he has flaws. Humans have those too.
by Ourdaywillcome on Dec 2, 2009 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
Let me enlighten you all.....please. I can't stand to read this mush!
Ok, let’s start with the fact that only two maybe three of your starters would start for any other NBA team. Also your bench isn’t anywear except on a dleague team for almost every other NBA franchise. Your only still careing any hope of a playoff birth because in the bottom of the east you might get in with a below .500 record. SAD.. really! The haves and have nots are so far appart in the NBA right now because of $$, actually the willingness to spend money and wisely choose talent that fits your team…
Let the record show Tyson Chandler is proof as too why the kittens are have nots!!
Moving on…KEVIN GARNET is a HOF’er first ballet. What people fail to realize is he has been this way since day ONE. He is loud, obnoxious, and a jerkishly entertaining 110% effort hustle and grit every single second of the season. Every team in the NBA would love to have him on their team and as their teAmmate! Even zaza whom almost fights with KG everytime they play would happily take KG on his team. All the amazing skills and talent and soul of KG is what makes him loved or hated. Remember the 80’s and early 90’s players hated eachother on the court and during the season… That’s how it should be! None of the friendly crap that goes on now. After losses player hug and chat with the victors?!?! What the *^~+!?! not in Bean town! Side note( the only reason the cats got a larger than expected dose of starters is because of doc trying to work on chemistry..just so happened at your expense.) Lol
Next! LB is not to be questioned. The end! He is a genious. Allways has been. Players whom buy into his system are rewarded with championships.
Next! Nazi is a solid player. He should start. Chandler is garbage and Nazi can do a bit of everything…not spectacular or even entertaining but a boring solid player who is better than Chandler at nearly every skill except blocks and that’s really debateable due to chandlers foul issues.
Finnally I leave you all with this, I am not a kittens fan! I only read your dopey blog because my C’s bombed on you and I wanted to read your misinformed ignorant hillbilly thought so I could go to bed laughing! Ha!
Typical Boston Fan
Why do you think Boston is the most hated fanbase in America.? Its because you are obnoxious and loud. (No offense Ourday. I know you converted).
I have to respond to this (slightly off topic)
When I moved to NC quite some time ago I encountered a lot of prejudice from people that despised transplants from the North on principle. It ticked me off quite a bit, but I dealt with it.
After a few years, I had reason to go back up to Taxachussetts for a visit. I knew the moment I hit the North and I didn’t need a map to make the discovery. People were more rude, self-centered, and pseudointellectual. I was stunned. I asked my wife, “were WE like that 3 years ago?” Since then I’ve used an actual experience from that trip to describe the difference between Boston and the South. The Mason-Dixon Line separates “Hey there, can I help you with something?” from “What the hell do YOU want?”
I’ve met some stereotypical racist and redneck hillbilly types down here. They give the South a bad name. They’re also the extreme minority. This morning we’re being greeted by a post from a stereotypically arrogant and rude Yankee. They aren’t all like that. I’d like to say they’re an extreme minority too. Unfortunately, they travel in packs up there.
What I WIll say though, is that I spent quite a bit of time at the SB Nation Celtics blog yesterday and most of the populace there were gracious and avid basketball fans, just like here and I had a great time. Not all Yankees are like the one that posted that crap message – just enough of them to make me say I wouldn’t live there again unless it meant the lives of my children.
by Ourdaywillcome on Dec 2, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
moreover...
Celtics fans are front-running bandwagon-jumpers. In how much proud-fan-of-a-miserable-losing-team signifyin’ did they engage through all those years when the team sucked before Ainge’s buddy McHale gave him the keys to the kingdom in their disgustingly incestuous under-the-table deal? Watching the Celtics fans chest-thump is like watching George W. smirk. Unearned, undeserved, and corrupt outrageous fortune is not to be lauded and admired; it stinks monumentally and the provincial yokel— and Boston is full of these, believe me, their vaunted intellectual capital is ALL imported— makes an ass of himself when he overenthusiastically preens and presumes to take credit for it.
Long-suffering Knick fans, ok… if they ever become respectable again they can congratulate themselves on hanging in there for all these decades. Atlanta Hawks fans, certainly. Hardcore Raptors fans, sure. And though I suspect the sincerity of some higher-profile Clips fans, I’m sure there are many worthies amongst their oppressed rabble as well. But Celtics fans? Bite me, dilletante poser. (And that goes for Cowboys fans too.) And by way of contrast, let me note that as a NY-raised Yankee fan I very much respect true Red Sox fans (though not the out-of-towners who wear the trendy “B” caps as if to identify with an “underdog,” which the Sox are most certainly not.) I lived next to Fenway, it’s a great park, the fans are fun, they’re loyal— though cynical as hell— through thick and thin, and the intensity of the rivalry enhances the game. And Patriots fans, at least until they became dynastic, were fine. And Bruins fans are ok, if one likes hockey— and Boston is most definitely a hockey town. But Celtics fans? Again, bite me twice just for good measure, ok Donkey-boy?
And by the way, Rasheed Wallace is a creep. I certainly have no love for the Lakers but I will watch their match-ups in the hope of seeing Ron Artest clean his crying clock.
Thank you
For acknowledging the Hose Poseurs and Red Sox fans come lately for what they are. I became a Bosox fan in 1967 and attended my first game in 1968. I’m no Yankee lover and the rivalry was longstanding between the two clubs and cities. It was also, for the most part, good-natured. One of the last games I went to at Fenway was against the Yanks and midway through the 5th inning the fans started chanting “Yankees suck” en masse. Elston Howard was one of the pitching coaches at the time for the Yanks and I was seated right beside the bullpen. He looked over and saw I wasn’t joining in. He said, “You a Yankees fan a long way from home or something?” I looked at him and said, “I hope we stomp the snot out of you guys. But I paid good coin to cheer the Sox, not take a dump on our main competition.” He smiled and said, “I can live with that.” After the game ended he hollered to me and gave me an autographed ball that I have to this day. You can be rivals without being infantile about it.
by Ourdaywillcome on Dec 2, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
odd statistical distribution
It’s obviously just anecdotal, but I’ve noticed something odd in my current environment, Tallahassee FL. Whereas in most cities— and I’ve lived all over this country at one time or another— one generally sees plenty of both Yankees and Sox caps, with the former outnumbering the latter and often by a large margin, I can’t recall seeing any “NY” caps at all here (though I’m sure I must have and just can’t place it) but I do see that “B” far more often than one might expect in a boondock outpost like this. Of course we don’t get regular (audible) radio coverage of any team here, not even the Rays or Marlins though their games are all blacked out on the Extra Innings package, so it’s not surpring that any caps one sees would be for one out-of-town team or another, however it is striking that such a disproportionate percentage of them are Sox caps?
And have you noted...
that that distribution increased around, say, 2004?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 3, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Funny that we're the 'misinformed, ignorant hillbillies'
Yet your educated, Bostonian ass can’t spell ‘Garnett’, ‘genius’, ‘apart’, ‘loses’ or ‘debatable’.
It’s okay though… because we have ‘Nazi’ Mohammad, right?
Furthermore, the correct usage for the word ‘whom’ is when you are referring to the object of a verb; thus making the phrase
Players whom buy into his system are rewarded with championships
a wholly incorrect one.
Let my ‘hillbilly’ self continue:
- ‘Each other’ is two words, not one.
- You use ‘too’ as a synonym for ‘also’, thus, your statement “… Tyson Chandler is proof as too why…” another incorrect one.
I know several Celtics fans who remain humble despite their recent success. The reason for this is simple: Despite the 1980’s they remember the 1990’s; pride comes before the fall. Your lack of class leads me to believe one of two things, either:
1. You’re 12 years old and trying to appear intelligent.
2. You’re flat out stupid.
Either way, please come back and speak with us again in 3 seasons when the C’s bought team starts to crumble. Of course, they’ll probably just keep trading draft picks to bring in stars, thus becoming the NY Yankees of the NBA.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Dec 2, 2009 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
I really hope English isn't your first language.
To add to the Aussie’s list of “You really told us” observations:
KEVIN GARNET is a HOF’er first ballet.
Ballet is the dance form, you chowderhead. It’s ballot.
anywear
What is that? One size fits all?
Your only still careing any hope
First off, it’s you’re. As in, “you are.” Do you know what a con-junc-tion is, little boy? Second, it’s carrying. I mean, come on, that’s an easy one. How can you spell obnoxious right, and get that one wrong. Were you high? By the way, the sentence with obnoxious makes no sense.
jerkishly entertaining
?????????????
The only thing I can think of that’s “jerkishly entertaining” is your post.
Thank goodness someone of higher intelligence saw fit to grace us with an explanation....
of Garnett’s better qualities. He’s still a dirty a-hole.
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It’s garnet, like the semi-precious stone… get it right.
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by James The Aussie on Dec 2, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Dude where was Boston until they bought this current roster...
That’s right worse then the BOBCATS!!
I only knew one guy named Garnett
and he was always like, semi-stoned. Maybe he’s a relative.

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