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The Ghost of Bobcats Future Trades

At this early stage of the season, there are only a couple teams that are completely and totally out of the playoff picture: the New Jersey Nets and Sacramento Kings. Every other team's fans can entertain wild-eyed dreams of playoff basketball. Can we benefit from their situations?

First, the Nets. The only player we have that makes sense for them is Raja Bell. He's got an expiring contract that fits in with their plan to clear cap space for this offseason and sign free agents to complement their interesting young players, like Courtney Lee, Yi Jianlian, and Brook Lopez. Unfortunately for the Bobcats, the Nets have done too good a job of clearing cap space. The only players with guaranteed contracts for next season are guys they'll almost certainly want to keep, and it doesn't make any sense for them to swap out an expiring contract for an expiring contract. We probably won't be able to even start a conversation with them unless, improbably, they grow weary of Yi and figure they'd rather cut bait.

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The Kings are a different story, though. They've got some messy contracts and fiscal pressure that we might be in position to massage with a calculated gamble. No one they'd be able to offer us is a game-changer who would guarantee us the playoffs, but if they want to get out from under a horrific contract, they can give us that contract and a very good player to fill out our rotation. I'd be most interested in Spencer Hawes or Jason Thompson to come off the bench and be a backup to both Diaw and Chandler. Unfortunately, it looks like we'd have to take back Beno Udrih in any deal, which makes no sense for the Cats, because Andres Nocioni's deal is only one year longer than Radmanovic's and Mohammed's (not worth it for Sacto), and Francisco Garcia's long deal is still subject to Base Year Compensation provisions, so we can't make that work.

Here's where I'm going with this: I don't see any trades that make sense for the Bobcats, even after other teams start dropping out of the playoff hunt. No, wait. I take that back. There's one. When the Warriors give up on this season, they might consider trying to clear out some space and trade Raja straight up for Ronny Turiaf. The big guy has an unwieldy contract, extending through 2012, but he would make the team better by being a defensive presence (and about the same scorer as Chandler, i.e. way better than Diop) off the bench at both the PF and C positions. Bell, as professional as he is, is primarily a contract figure at this point, and if we put Flip in at the two, we'd get better offense, probably making up for any drop in defense, and if we put Augustin or Henderson in at that spot, we'd be giving much needed playing time to a young player. I'd also argue that we probably wouldn't see much drop in production.

The biggest problem for the Cats is that every other team is either set for the 2010 offseason, set for the 2011 offseason, or will be looking for a player to help them this season, which Bell is not. Boris Diaw might be attractive to a contender, but his contract is extremely daunting. Gerald Wallace will be attractive to a contender, but I'm not sure it's such a good idea to trade away a guy who outproduces his pay scale. And Raymond Felton, of course, might be a bench upgrade for someone with the bonus that he's an expiring contract, but the contender that needs a point guard upgrade, either starter or bench, and sees Felton as said upgrade probably isn't a contender.

It's Rosterbation Monday! Are we stuck dreaming about John Wall? Or is there someone our there for the taking that we can steal? (See? I made it this far without mentioning Joe Alexander!)

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I threw out the idea in the Fanpost comment section:

I’m falling in love with the idea of trading Boris Diaw to Denver for Nene.

It gives Denver an athletic 4 who can run the floor and help in transition, more importantly it gives them a $9 million expiring contract heading into the offseason where they need to concentrate on resigning Carmelo Anthony.

It gives the Bobcats a legitimiate low post threat, a guy who can play the 4 or 5 and a rebounding presence at PF. We can’t rely on Gerald Wallace to grab 20 boards per game, and Nene’s double-double average this season would be welcome.

What does everyone think? It makes complete sense to me on both sides.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 9, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

Horrible Idea

We have a hard enough time generating offense as it is. Swapping Nene for Boris would only decrease offensive production. Nene’s increased value is due solely to playing with the likes of Carmello, Billups, JR Smith and the Birdman already. As a Bobcat, Nene would be just another big body with a real lack of offensive prowess.

Boris Diaw is far too crucial to the Bobcats to let him be traded for a role player like Nene. Now trading Raja Bell for Nene is a different story…

by dudemanhey on Nov 9, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Decrease offense? Really?

Nene is averaging 13.7 points in 33 minutes
Diaw is averaging 12.3 points in 38 minutes

Even at Diaw’s best (last season) he averaged 15.1 ppg in 38 minutes, Nene averaged 14.7 in 33 minutes.

Furthermore, he’s shooting .604 from the field in 2009 compared to Diaws .456.

Let’s not kid ourselves that Boris Diaw is some kind of offensive juggernaut when he’s not.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 9, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

There is much more to offensive production than points per game

How many assists does Nene get? And thanks for not addressing my point that Nene plays with much more talent around him. When other teams are focusing on Melo, Billups, etc., Nene is the benefactor of many garbage points opportunities.

You swap Nene and Boris, expect the Cats and Nene to underachieve.

by dudemanhey on Nov 9, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nene seems like a slightly better Nazr Mohammed

just younger and more active. Doesn’t seem worth it to me.

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by Aisander D on Nov 9, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You're kidding, right?

Mohammed never put up near the numbers Nene gets on average even when he was at his best.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't address the point about Denver's talent because I was going to give you a pass on that one, maybe thinking about it a little.

Boris Diaw came from a team with Steve Nash, Amare Stoudamire, Leandro Barbosa, and Shaq (at the time) and managed to improve every single statistic coming to the Bobcats.

If Steve Nash doesn’t tilt the stats in your favor I don’t know who does.

And since you asked:
- Nene is averaging 2 apg
- Diaw is averaging 4.8

I would gladly give up 2.8 assists for 1.4 more ppg, 3 more rpg, 0.75 less turnovers and 0.148 better shooting.

Furthermore, according to basketball-reference.com:
- Nene Hilario has a PER of 18
- Boris Diaw has a PER of 16.5

Nene is the superior player in every way, but no… I’m sure that’s the way we underachieve… right?

People put way too much stock in Boris.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 9, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Nene is definately a natural athlete

Boris as well with his genes. i agree with clipcat, Nene would be a similar player as compared to okafor, but Diaw does provide us with some ball handling skills and most def with passes at the top of the key and down low. how many times last year did okafor get a wide open dunk because boris pump faked and passed the ball right around the defenders body ? He can also stretch the floor if he is hitting the long ball . Nene is a better defender and probably a better athlete in terms of jumping, quickness and footwork, but Boris does provide some savvy in the assist game and he can almost play any position on the court. He could play short stretches at 5 if we needed but he won’t be able to stop the more skilled centers in the league.
lets try to move Raja for a post scorer , I cant remember who said it on this site but that would give more time for Flip who has a little more versatility and also more minutes for G.Henderson

by OldschoolBlue on Nov 9, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Moving Raja is better than moving Boris.

Considering our current roster, it seems like moving Raja Bell in order to get a post presence would be a better option than moving Boris Diaw to acquire the desired post player. Potentially Raja Bell would be more attractive to another team if they are seeking an expiring contract.

Additionally, with Henderson, Augustin, Murray, Felton, Graham already on the roster, i think that the ’Cats would miss Diaw much more than they would miss Bell. To have an athletic big man like Nene or Carlos Boozer playing alongside Diaw would be great.

by dudemanhey on Nov 9, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Expiring contracts enhance value...

But they don’t create value. Bell is a heady player who’s a good veteran presence, one who’d be welcomed on any contender. But don’t fool yourself into thinking he could net much in a trade just because he starts for us. On a good team, he’d be the 7th or 8th man, serving in a lot the same role Dahntay Jones did last year. That’s not going to be a chip that brings us back a player who’s young and has the ability to play in our rotation. It could be part of it, or it could get us one or the other. But not both on its own. And isn’t the situation you describe with an “athletic big” playing next to Diaw the whole reason we traded on eof the most consistently productive centers in the NBA?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You're preaching to the choir about Okafor.

But that deal is done and long gone.

I don’t spite Chandler for it though, and I want him and the ’Cats to succeed.

by dudemanhey on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that...

But do you get my point about Bell’s “value” as well?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I undersatnd that

but it doesn’t make me want to trade Boris Diaw any more than i did previously

by dudemanhey on Nov 9, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that.

But to get value, you have to give value. And Bell isn’t value in and of himself, expiring contract or not.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 10, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Yet again...

I am with Procton…
Everyone has to realize that our team…whether they start or not, do not have the same value somewhere else.

We have a great group of guys…
None however (except for a few) that are worth starter pay somewhere else.

Our only hope is that we would really get lucky in the draft and we get a guy who becomes “starter caliber” for us and for other teams (G Henderson and D Brown…come on guys). Look at the Original Hornets…
Drafting LJ and Mourning…that was a HUGE turning point in the franchise…

LJ did wind up hurting his back…and became a dud…but for a few years…we had it going enough to lure guys to Charlotte. We need that again. We have an awesome arena, and Charlotte is trying to be a “Big Boy” town like Chicago, New York, and the like…so…

Then we can hope to lure other good 3, 4, 5 guys from other teams because we start to have something to offer…

by andrewlail76 on Nov 10, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The pay isn't such a holdup.

$5 million is reasonable for a veteran rotation player.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 10, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

after this season, depending what happens with Raja, Flip and Raymond, we could have a little wiggle room to make a move. i think vlady has a player option as well at 6.8, i don’t think he would give that up since he won’t get that anywhere else. but that would be around 18-19 mill to work with

by OldschoolBlue on Nov 10, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Not exactly.

We’ve already got nearly $60 million on the books, and the NBA warned that the salary cap would be $54 mil next year, at best. That means all we’ll have to work with is the MLE unless we trade one of our big years.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 10, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

oops i forgot about that prospect

what kind of season would the bobs have to put in this year for the Big Bob to pay some of that luxury tax next season ? i think there’s only 14 teams or so that are above this year

by OldschoolBlue on Nov 10, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not an issue of the luxury tax.

You simply can’t spend above the cap for free agents if you don’t have the space to do so.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 10, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yea

but you can trade for players going over it? or only resign for contracts over it ?

by OldschoolBlue on Nov 10, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, you can trade.

But the value has to be so close, it’s unlikely we’ll get that much over the cap that luxury kicks in.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 10, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

BUT HE REVOLUTIONIZED OUR OFFENSE!

He’d have had 30 assists a game if not for Okafor last year.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? You think playing next to Chris Anderson makes you look better on offense?

He’s an awful offensive player. Nene’s phenomenal shooting percentages suggest his offensive prowess isn’t lacking at all.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh...

And you’re crazy if you think we could get a top 10 PF for Raja Bell.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take that deal in a heartbeat

I would love to have Nene. He’s a beast and would become a frontcourt player the Bobcats could build around. In short, he’d replace Emeka Okafor.

I’d take the deal based on the talent upgrade but not without concerns. In the short term, the Bobcats would miss Diaw’s passing and shooting. A frontcourt of Hilario and Chandler would put even more pressure on the backcourt to create offense. Hilario is a great fit in Dener because the Nuggets have so many other gifted scorers to space the floor. The Bobcats would need to look for a better shooting frontcourt match for Nene.

But I really can’t see Denver going for this deal. Nene is still young and has a reasonable contract. Denver probably expects him to anchor their frontcourt for many years to come. Nene helps Denver match up better with the big men from other top contenders than Diaw would. Diaw and K-Mart are strictly PF’s, and Birdman is best used off the bench.

Denver will shed salary to re-sign Carmelo when Kenyon Martin’s awful contract finally expires after next season. If for some reason like Billups and Carmelo both go down for the season and the Nuggets want to blow up the team, than a Chandler for Nene swap would set them up with real cap space in 2011. I can’t see that deal happening, but I wouldn’t have ever expected a Chandler for Okafor trade either.

by ClipCat on Nov 9, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take that deal in a heartbeat

I would love to have Nene. He’s a beast and would become a frontcourt player the Bobcats could build around. In short, he’d replace Emeka Okafor, and this would be a move toward long term rebuilding, which probably means the current regime wouldn’t be interested.

I’d take the deal based on the talent upgrade but not without concerns. In the short term, the Bobcats would miss Diaw’s passing and shooting. A frontcourt of Hilario and Chandler would put even more pressure on the backcourt to create offense. It’s true that Hilario is a great fit in Denver because the Nuggets have so many other gifted scorers to space the floor. And the Bobcats would need to look for a better shooting frontcourt match for Nene.

But I really can’t see Denver going for this deal. Nene is still young and has a reasonable contract. Denver probably expects him to anchor their frontcourt for many years to come. Nene helps Denver match up better with the big men from other top contenders than they would with Diaw and K-Mart, who are strictly PF’s, and Birdman, who is best off the bench.

Denver will shed salary to re-sign Carmelo when Kenyon Martin’s awful contract finally expires after next season. If for some reason, such as Billups and Carmelo both going down for the season, the Nuggets want to blow up the team and rebuild, than a Chandler for Nene swap would set them up with real cap space in 2011. I can’t see that deal happening, but the Nuggets are the team that gave Marcus Camby away, too. Still, this is probably more of a possibility for next year, when Chandler will be an expiring contract, and Nene would have to do something to land himself in the doghouse.

by ClipCat on Nov 9, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

As I've mentioned in other places...

Nene and Diaw have the same contract terms (although their salaries are different.) Both are under contract for this year and next, and both have player options for ‘11/’12.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Where do you see that 2011 is a player option for Diaw?

I’m using: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm

For my salary info, and it’s normally very accurate.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 9, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Why again with the rosterbation anyway?

The ‘Cats are looking pretty good right now. 3-3 (should have been 4-2 and stolen that one @ Chicago), just getting back in the swing of things with Bell and Murray’s return. Why not be excited for the future possibilities of this season with the CURRENT roster? The Bobcats are showing this season that they are not a team to look over on the schedule.

by dudemanhey on Nov 9, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

Let's not delude ourselves either

Those that dimissed the Bobcats as hapless were mistaken. Even this early on the Cats have shown that on any given night they can give teams the fits. But there are multiple problems we’re facing and some could possibly be addressed before we find ourselves in March once again counting our potential wins as we try to scrape our way into an 8 seed.

We can’t do anything about the schedule – we play a brutal number of back-to-backs this year and close out the season with home/away bounces in 6 of our last 8 games. That won’t be pleasant and if we’re trying to climb our way into the post season or desperately gripping to the 8 slot, those games are going to be a brutal factor in the equation.

The two big things we CAN do something about though are Coach Brown’s complete lack of interest in developing our rookies off the bench and our low post game.

It doesn’t matter how good our outside shooters are, if we can’t keep the defenses honest by being a threat in the paint we simply aren’t going to get open looks from long range. If our big men are unable to do anything but kick the ball back to the perimeter when they get their hands on the rock, we’re also going to continue to eat up most of the clock and wind up chucking too many desperation shots or committing turnovers on clock violations. If we can pick up even a semi-strong power forward or center to either start or bolster our bench, we’d be crazy to ignore the opportunity. As someone else said, we’re one strong player away from being solid playoff contenders instead of hopefuls trying to slide in during the last week of the season. We’re at least 2 solid players and a utility reserve away from joining the elite teams of the league.

Larry Brown is a great defensive coach, but our offense is still sputtering – as the 20-2 run by the Bulls in the last game bears out. He refuses to rest our veterans by using the rookies and bench efficiently and asking Wallace, Chandler, and company to play 70 plus in 48 hours is expecting a lot. Asking them to do it 22 times in a season is at best forcing us to look at the Cats falling apart in exhaustion during the 2nd game and at worst begging for injuries.

I like our chances for the playoffs this season. But I’m selfish. I don’t want our first trip to the playoff to end up being a first round sweep and a long vacation. That’s an empty victory, although it will fill a few more seats at Time Warner and could conceivably open the owners’ pockets a bit. I’d love to see us get at least into the second round of the playoffs in our first visit.

Right now, another season with us finishing in the 9 or 10 spot in the conference means more lottery purgatory. We can’t improve well from that position – we simply don’t pick high enough to trade the pick for a veteran or pick up a top rookie in the draft. If we’re going to make it, we either have to develop a winning strategy now or bag the entire season in the hopes of snaring a top 3 pick in the lottery that we can explore our options with. I don’t believe the Bobcats will last many more seasons with the status quo.

by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 9, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

youve been on a hot streak with the posts

i agree with dudemanhey and daywillcome all the way. especially about the lottery purgatory. We most definitely have a strong enough team to finish around 9-11 in the east if there is production from the SGs when they are at full speed. Drafting in those spots in the draft, right out of the lottery or at the last few picks there are always hit and miss unless the draft is super deep or the player slips by the teams in front for whatever reason. Maybe injury scares as the case was with Dejuan blair. If they could get a strong defender down low with some post game, i wouldnt be that surprised to see the Bobs shock their first round match up in the playoffs. Maybe one of the ‘big 3’ from boston goes down a few games before the playoffs. i hope it’s not Rasheed though, i’d like to see how many T’s he gets if the cats were up a couple games in the series

by OldschoolBlue on Nov 9, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

There WAS this Granger kid a few years back...

But at least we sold a lot of tickets with Sean May.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

God, this makes so much sense.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

3-3 with no wins on the road and blowouts to the only legitimate teams we’ve played? I’m sorry, but that doesn’t scream 45-win season to me.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Raja for Ronny straight up?

Hooray we lose our only reliable backup big for another guard……….

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by dubzfan on Nov 9, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

I think it’s time to face the fact that the Bobcats and Warriors just aren’t suitable trade partners.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 9, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it’s very tough to pull off a trade when both teams need the same thing, a PF, and both teams are trying to trade away wings and/or bad contracts.

by ClipCat on Nov 9, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Al Horford from the hawks

Could this be possible just wondering. He seems to be the right size.

by hacory1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

I'd be shocked if the Hawks want to move Horford....

I’d imagine he’s a big part of their future.

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by Aisander D on Nov 9, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He just signed a big extension.

They’re not going to move him. And his offensive game is every bit as limited as Okafor’s and Chandler’s, which has been met with endless complaining.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Al Harrington from NY

He is an older player but definitly the right size. And since Ny is trying to unload every body mabey we could snag him. Just wondering

by hacory1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

It's been discussed.

But the thought is that he’s not an LB-type player.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Hilton Armstong from New Orleans?

He seems to be a good fit 6-11 and plays Forward and center.

by hacory1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

He's a good fit in that he's the right size...

But that’s about it. Armstrong is terrible; had about the worst season of anybody with regular PT ever last year.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be surprised if he got a second contract in the NBA...

he hasn’t shown much skill in offense/defense/basketball playing.

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by Aisander D on Nov 9, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

how about Marcus Camby

He woul be good and he seems to be a good fit. How would he work? What do you think?

by hacory1 on Nov 10, 2009 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

Haha...

Camby puts both Chandler and Okafor to shame as “injury-prone” players.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 10, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

As Procto was typing that...

Camby’s right leg fell off.

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by Aisander D on Nov 10, 2009 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually checked to see whether you were kidding or not.

It seemed plausible to me.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 10, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So did I

I figured he might have ruptured an Achilles during practice or something!

by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 10, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Since this has been taking place

Camby has passed 2 kidney stones, coughed up a lung, come down with the swine flu, and as I was typing, he went blind and lost hearing in 1 ear

by andrewlail76 on Nov 11, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions  

At this early stage of the season, there are only a couple teams that are completely and totally out of the playoff picture: the New Jersey Nets and Sacramento Kings.

I think you left out Golden State and Minnesota. Otherwise, I agree.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 10, 2009 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

Also

I agree that Sac is not a good trade partner for the Bob’s. The only player I see the Kings really wanting on the Cats roster is MAYBE Tyson Chandler. Honestly, given the talent on the Kings roster at where the Bob’s have their talent, i don’t see any upgrade from anyone on the Cats roster.

I might be alone on that though.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 10, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

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