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Trade bait and the inside game



In one of the threads from a couple of days ago, I responded to someone's comments about trade possibilities and the potential for the free agent market to provide some improvement to our team. I also mentioned that our biggest problem is that we have virtually no inside game (nobody cutting in the lanes and especially nobody able to consitently post up under the rim) and we need a real option in the paint aside from Wallace. Since that thread had largely played out already (and nobody jumped on my request for someone with better knowledge of the Cats contract restrictions to start a new discussion) I wanted to open the discussion under its own header.

 Is it premature to be thinking about roster changes or is the problem already so glaringly obvious that we can see we're risking the entire season if we don't make moves soon? Can we expect Tyson Chandler to shake off his horrible slump as he gets in better condition or will we be looking at more of the same in December that we saw in the early days of the season in October? Who is out there in even the restricted agent market that we might be able to bring to Charlotte? I believe we need to be realistic about the fact that we don't have the ideal sales pitch to lure a quality player into town. "Come to the Queen City where you can play in front of a whopping 8 thousand drowsing fans! We're optimistically dreaming that we have an outside chance of snagging the 8 seed for the playoffs and proudly sit as the 48th largest television market in the United States. Did we mention that we're only 3 thousand miles from the partying nightlife of L.A.? Don't forget - here in Charlotte you can count on owners who need to pinch a dollar hard enough to make George Washington crap dimes. Just IMAGINE what that means for your wallet come extension/renewal time!" It isn't exactly the stuff that dreams are made of. About the only real plus is that anyone coming into town is almost guaranteed a chance to showcase their skills as a starter. We might be able to attract hungry players that are stuck in the shadow of a major star. The Cats represent a serious opportunity for an underused bench player to get into the spotlight in a hurry. The problem there is that we have to rely on our scouts and decision makers to pick the right diamond-in-the-rough and our track record on that is a HUGE question mark. The odds are good that our best option will wind up being a player past his prime just looking to eke out another year or two in the league before surrendering to the inevitable. In fact, that may just be what Johnson will be attracted to - a former "name player" that might fill a few seats with fans that want to be able to say, "Oh yeah, I saw so-and-so play back in the day."

Unless we can find a way to throw Augustin on the rack and stretch him up to about 6' 10" so he can play power forward, we appear to have a massive depth problem in the forward positions. We can try to rush our development of Derrick Brown, but once again we run into that whole "Coach won't give the rookies court time" situation before we even consider whether he has the innate skills to handle serious NBA minutes.

The sad truth is, that Chandler, VladRad, and Ajinca simply aren't producing to this point. We either play the cards we've been dealt this season and hope our hand winds up being strong enough to make enough teams fold, or we try to improve by drawing from the deck. In just a couple of weeks the whole "it's too early in the season to judge" argument will be moot. We can't be saying, "it's only been 13 games, there's still hope" without deluding ourselves that a 4-9 start is just bad luck.

Oh, and if you think I'm being too pessimistic, stop for a moment and think about what this team will look like if Gerald Wallace sacrifices his body once too often and end up on the injured list for a number of games. God forbid it happen, because it's almost unthinkable. But let's be honest - each and every time the man slams into the floor under the bucket the heart of almost every Bobcat fan skips a fearful beat.

So let's get it out in the open. What ARE our options now that we have Chandler and Diaw soaking up almost 20 million dollars of our salary this year alone?

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Ride it out until our garbage contracts expire.

That is the ONLY option.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 6, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

We will gladly take Nazr or Diop if we send expirings of Speedy and Jackson!

Then we can maybe give you Law and George as expirings,…. maybe

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 6, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson's not expiring, is he?

He’s under contract for several more years as far as I was aware.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean speedy as an expiring

Jack with the barganing agreement if he chooses can renegotiate his deal and become an expiring deal. I would 100% take Diop and Nazr if we get Wallace but I no what you guys will say to that……

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 9, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

And I hear a rumor of Jackson for Diaw

What do you guys think of this?

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 6, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

Where was it ‘a rumor’ other than a Warriors fan posting it as a potential trade on this blog a month ago.

That makes absolutely zero sense for the Bobcats.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 6, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same...it just doesnt make sense

we already don’t have any backup PF and trading Diaw would leave us with no one at 4…unless we are also getting Turiaf as well..even then I dunno if i really like that deal..

by jay23 on Nov 6, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Even with Turiaf I hate it.

I would take Turiaf and Magette being added in before I’d consider taking on the locker room cancer that is Stephen Jackson.

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by James The Aussie on Nov 6, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Adding Magette would make things interesting…but I agree with you..even with Magette I’m liking it that much..What are chances of us trading Chandler for a low post scorer??

perhaps David Lee?? lol

by jay23 on Nov 6, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't laugh too much

There were some pretty hefty rumors flying around last season that New York was willing to trade us David Lee for Raymond Felton straight up.

I would have loved to see the Cats pull the trigger on that deal.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 6, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I had my fingers crossed...

When I heard David Lee was a free agent and the rumors started rolling around, my GOD I Wanted Lee! He would have been perfect. Oh well…

by BobcatsLuke on Nov 8, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Sources for the Jackson trade rumor

Among other places, the Warriors/Bobcat trade talks are currently number 3 on the list of Yahoo NBA rumors. The source for it is listed as ESPN. The majority of the 50 or so comments come from Warriors fans who are salivating at the thought of getting Wallace (fat chance!) or Diaw in the trade. The majority are also saying they don’t care where Jackson goes, as long as it’s somewhere ELSE. There’s a whole lot of hating going on in that thread.

Digging around on some of the West Coast blogs and newspapers, the scuttlebutt right now seems to say that the Bobcats are wanting Turiaf along with Jackson, but Golden State refuses to consider unloading him.

While talking to Cleveland, the Warriors reportedly wanted Ilgauskas and Cleveland would have no part of it.

It IS just a rumor, but it seems to be gaining some traction. It wasn’t hard to find recent commentary about it.

by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 7, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the info

The thing with Jackson is it’s a buyer’s market for him. Everyone knows the issues he’s having in Golden State now and it’s driving his price down.

Talent wise, I would love to have his shooting ability, but he’s one of the top 5 head-cases in the NBA. Even with Turiaf I find it hard that the front office would do it. We just traded Okafor away for long term salary relief, and by trading Diaw for Jackson and Turiaf the Bobbies and taking on an additional $15 million in salary, long term.

If we’re talking a deal that sends Diaw to Golden State here is the only way I’d see it happening:

(was going to link the ESPN trade machine, but it’s not saving right… this trade does work)

Golden State recieves:
- Boris Diaw
- Desagana Diop
- Vladamir Radmanovich

Charlotte recieves:
- Stephen Jackson
- Ronny Turiaf
- Corey Magette

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by James The Aussie on Nov 7, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think they'll include one of the rookies in that deal?

I just like to see rookies play.

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by Aisander D on Nov 7, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry but were very reluctant to give up Ronny

Why does everyone think he’s available? Without him we have no back up bigs. YYou guys can take Maggs and Jack and we will take Diaw and one of your bad contracts. But Giving up Ronny is like if Miami lost Haslem. Were too thin up front as it is. Bottom line, Ronny Turiaf should not be in discussions

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 7, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Possible... but a VERY slim chance

we would want a big 2 in return or package him and biedrins for Bosh but other than that not really no.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 8, 2009 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

"Turaif should not be in discussion"

So, basically we’re supposed to give up a player who is our starting PF, who can play 5 positions, one of the best passing big men in the NBA and needs to be specially schemed for in exchange for who? A 31 year old SF with behavior issues on a bad contract?

It’s not that ‘everyone thinks he’s (Turiaf) available’ it’s about trading for who’s desirable. A trade is a two way street and all the Warriors seem to be selling are players with behavioral issues (Ellis and Jackson). The Bobcats are VASTLY thinner at the 4 than the Warriors, so there is no way their giving up Diaw without getting a 4 in return, it’s as simple as that.

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by James The Aussie on Nov 8, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Ellis?

He said 1 thing about Curry and he later said that he was wrong about it so lets get rid of that right now. And I’m not making this deal so yes that’s what you guys would get unless there were other teams involved.

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 8, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

See, the problems remains that Golden State have no desirable positions for the Bobcats outside of PF.

Taking Ellis or Jackson would stunt the development of Gerald Henderson, and aren’t good defenders which is a must for Larry Brown.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 8, 2009 5:55 AM EST up reply actions  

He also violated his contract and then whined when he was punished for that.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha...

What team needs backup bigs when they play 6’3" guys at forward?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

A team that's on the verge of firing Nellie

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 9, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It was on ESPN.com

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Nov 7, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Trade Bait

I dont know who we would trade but instead of going after Jackson who would definitly ruin whatever chemistry we have in the locker room mabey we should go after Richard Hamilton from the Pistons. He is much better in the percentages knows coach Brown and I hear they want to drop his contract in Detriot. How would he fit if at all and what do yall think?

by hacory1 on Nov 7, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

I dunno how that would work out but it would great for us...

it would also solve our scoring problem…btw I’m glad we didn’t sign A.I. he just took personal leave from the grizzlies..lol

by jay23 on Nov 7, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Richard Hamilton

I was thinking the same thing. He is listed as a guard / forward and is much better than Jackson. He is very consistant and would definitly give us a offensive wepon. I would hope this would happen we could use a guy like that plus hes not a head case like Jackson.

by hacory1 on Nov 8, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

No joke!

A.I. is a punk and would have been crying the whole time he was here in Charlotte. lol

by BobcatsLuke on Nov 8, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL.

“Personal leave,” i.e. he wasn’t coming off the bench. I wonder what Civardi thinks.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Hamilton

But the question remains: “Why would a team trade Emeka Okafor as a salary dump to get a player with a big salary?”

Hamilton has over $45 million left on his contract, ending then he’s 36.

It’s chasing good money with bad. In order to make the contracts work it would require Diaw or Wallace heading to Detroit, and as much as I like the 25 ppg from Rip it leaves us with a MAMMOTH hole at either the 3 or the 4.

Now, if the Pistons would be willing to send Tayshaun Prince and Hamilton to us for Wallace, Diop and VladRad, then my interests are peaked.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 8, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Tayshaun is out

Just heard Tayshaun is out and they seem to want to keep him over Rip. Like I said originally wouldnt know who we would trade and the way you put it I would rather keep Wallace. I dont think Emeka was traded so much for his salery but more of he didnt want to play the way brown wanted him to play. He was a very reliable player but not a game changer.
Didnt know the salery figures so thank you Aussie for those, still would like to see him here if we could work it so we kept Wallace, Crash is the heart of this team and the only constant motor we have! Any other ideas on how we could get it to work?

by hacory1 on Nov 8, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

he didnt want to play the way brown wanted him to play

Brown said the contrary. He said that ‘Emeka did everything that was asked of him and more’.

Whether it be because of salary, or whether it was really because he wanted a more athletic defender, I don’t know.

A trade with the Pistons is difficult for us to pull of. Really, we only have two desirable players for teams: Wallace and Diaw… perhaps Bell for his expiring contract, but that will be more valuable at the trade deadline.

We need bigs… especially if Diaw gets traded, and that’s an area Detroit are weak at right now.

The team that makes the most sense as a trade partner is Denver. I’m sure Denver would salivate at the prospect of Diaw a smaller PF who can run the floor and pass, it suits their style of game. If Denver would trade Nene for Diaw straight up then I think the Bobcats would have to consider it.

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by James The Aussie on Nov 8, 2009 5:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you Aussie

 I can see why it would be hard to trade with Detroit, good points. I like the idea of trading with Denver. How would the trade for Nene work out contract wise? What about Bird man Anderson? He is a great bench player but could he start for us?
What other teams could we possibly work something out with? Mabey Portland? Mabey Knicks? Mabey Toronto? I dont know would like some insight. I hear Bosh is looking to get out could we make that happen? Thanks Aussie

by hacory1 on Nov 8, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

More on those locations

- Denver: A trade Diaw for Nene straight up works. Nene has 3 years left on his deal, rather than Diaw’s 2… but the money is almost identical.

As for Anderson, the Nuggets rushed to sign him day one of free agency. He’s vital to them off the bench, I don’t think they’d move him.

- Portland: Most enticing prospect they have is Lamarcus Aldridge, who they just signed to an extension. It would take a big deal to get past his ‘poison pill provision’ involving sending Diaw and VladRad for Aldridge and Przybilla.

- New York: Makes sense with Bell’s expiring contract, but the key would be getting David Lee to buy into a sign and trade. He’s the only player that interests me on their roster and is on a 1 year, $7 million deal.

- Toronto: I love Chris Bosh, but it would be near impossible to convince him to a sign and trade rather than entering the summer of 2010 as one of the most desirable free agents on the market.

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by James The Aussie on Nov 8, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Regarding Bosh

I also don’t think Bosh would be interested in leaving the 2nd tier Toronto market for yet another second tier market in the Carolinas. If given the chance to come to Charlotte or signing as a free agent to a team in a market the size of New York (the Nicks would LOVE to land him) or Detroit, which do you think he would pick. I’d love to get him, but I don’t think we have what he would want in the long term.

by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 8, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Heres a thought...

I’m not saying Bosh is the guy here, but in this huge slew of free agents popping out next season, I can’t imagine that there won’t be one at least notable name that wouldn’t mind coming to Charlotte and becoming an even bigger star. I know there is a bit of a stigma floating around Charlotte, but if they can sneak into the playoffs this year (or at least be on the heels of it again) I wouldn’t be shocked to see a big name or two take at least a passing interest in becoming a savior (maybe not really, but at least in their mind, lol) for a struggling team on the brink of getting bigger!

by BobcatsLuke on Nov 8, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wouldn't they have to have some money in the first place, though?

Trades notwithstanding, we’re already on the books for nearly $58 million in payroll next year, with only Felton, Bell, and Murray not contracted to return. The league said in July teams should prepare for no more than a $54 million cap next year. That’s not a whole lot of money, no matter who “wants” to come.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you aussie

Denver, seems like the scenerio you suggest is good all the way around
Portland, I was thinking Aldridge, i knew they signed him to an extension but whats this poison pill thing? Is he a poison to the locker room or something else?
Ney York, dont think I like anything there
Toronto, True he would probally much rather go for big dollars
Thank You Aussie any other teams that intrest you? Mabey Dallas? Mabey Miliwaukee? Mabey Chicago? What teams or players would you suggest?

by hacory1 on Nov 8, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually...

Both players are under contract the next two with an option for ‘11/’12. Boris is at $9 mil all three years, and Nene goes $10.52, $11.36, $11.6 mil.

As for Aldridge’s “poison pill,” do you mean his BYC?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

The Poison Pill

I took the term directly from the ESPN trade machine. What it means is that when the player signs an extension the first year of that extension a trade needs to be based on an average of their total contract, rather than the 1st year number.

Aldridge’s contract is severely backloaded, starting at $5 million and ending at over $15 million in year 6. So, rather than trading based on his $5.8 million hit this season, a trade would need to be based on his yearly average of $11.7 million.

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by James The Aussie on Nov 9, 2009 7:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Aha...

It’s a modified subsection of the BYC rule: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q73

If a team trades an extended rookie between the date his extension is signed and the date it takes effect, his “trade value” for the receiving team is the average of the salaries in the last year of the scale contract and each year of the extension. This is called the poison pill provision. The sending team uses the player’s actual salary when calculating their outgoing salary. They use the current-year maximum salary in place of the (unknown) maximum salary for a future season, if necessary.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Denver...

Maybe we can steal Birdman!?!?! Haha, I wish!

by BobcatsLuke on Nov 8, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He hated the fact that Emeka liked stretching to ensure his long-term health.

The guy has a lot of weird complexes.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you'd have a tough time getting Nene for Diaw.

They’re the same age, but Diaw has about 100 games more worth of wear and tear on him. Diaw, though, is cheaper and under contract for the same time, so maybe they’d be willing to do it.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Another reason why Denver could be enticed:

Diaw is a $9 million expiring contract going into 2011 when Carmelo Anthony is scheduled to be a free agent. Could be a motivating factor also.

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by James The Aussie on Nov 9, 2009 7:12 AM EST up reply actions  

He's actually not.

He has a $9 million player option for that year, just like Nene (just a little cheaper.)

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 9, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

?

SO how real are the trade rumors for S. Jackson?
I could see sending Diop and VladRad for him…
but the fit…
Not really sure…
I really want to free up some PT for G Hen and D Brown…

by andrewlail76 on Nov 8, 2009 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

Not going to happen.

It’s already been said that Jackson is throwing a hissy fit about possibly going to Charlotte and would make sure the team knew he wouldn’t play for them.

Furthermore, the Warriors don’t want to trade Turiaf, that’s a deal breaker.

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by James The Aussie on Nov 8, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahahahaha

Shows how much I know!

Sure, we had to give up a little more andrewlail76… but you were almost on the money!

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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

I actually forgot about posting that…and…I figured it would cost Bell…but I was hoping Diop’s contract would go away.

by andrewlail76 on Nov 18, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Ryan Anderson?

As I started digging around for info on Orlando for Tuesdays game I ran across some interesting numbers for Ryan Anderson. Although he was almost forgotten in the Vince Carter trade, he’s been putting up some impressive numbers filling in on the court. Once Orlando’s multiple injured and suspended players return, he’s time is going to shrink back down to nothing. He sprained his ankle and it’s unlikely we’re going to get a chance to see him on Tuesday, which is a shame. His contract for this year is under $2 million and when they’re healthy, the Magic still tend to treat him as the “other guy” in the Carter swap. Looking at his numbers line, this guy seems to be proving he can play NBA ball – although the Magic have had a pretty cushy schedule to start the season. He plays either forward position and can rotate to the center spot if need be.

The thing is, once Orlando gets back to full strength they’re going to have trouble finding minutes for Anderson and we might be able to pick him up by dangling a first round pick and tossing one of our reserves onto the pile. Unless I’m reading things incorrectly, the Magic don’t really appear to have much long-term use for him. If they finish as strongly as they are predicted to this season, draft bait may just be the ticket for us to pick up a player they don’t need, but the Bobcats could desperately use for 20 minutes a game or so.

(Consider this part of my “If LB won’t play rookies, let’s bail on new rookies and bring in some players he WILL use” theory.)

by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 9, 2009 1:11 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

A few guys to think about

What about these guys could we swing any of them
Al horford – hawks
Al Harrington – Knicks
Hilton Armstrong – New Orleans
Marcus Camby – Clippers
Steven Hunter – Grizz
David Anderson – Rockets
Wanted to know what you guys thought of these players. If it would work, what it would take and how you feel it could or couldnt help the team.

by hacory1 on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

Julian Wright? Eddy Curry?

Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER

by raysfan81 on Nov 12, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Eddy Curry? Really?

The guy’s too fat to get on the court. Haven’t we had enough of that from Sean May?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 13, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Cats should try to get

Kevin Martin… Now that the Kings are learning Tyreke Evans plays better at the 2 and they now have a winning record without Martin maybe they would be willing to part with Martin.

by MR. MANN on Nov 14, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions  

So you're saying we should get a guy who doesn't make his own team better?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 15, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Just because it doesnt work out for him in one scenario doesnt mean it wont in a completely different one. Why would you be against a young pure scoring sooting guard?

by MR. MANN on Nov 15, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

But at what cost?

The Kings aren’t stupid and wont take anything less than Gerald Wallace and something for a 24 ppg player.

Personally, I prefer the additional rebounding and defense we get from Wallace than a pure scorer.

Those extra 10 ppg (Martin over Wallace) would be completely negated by the lack of defense from losing Wallace and pushing Bell to the bench.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James The Aussie on Nov 15, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The Kings needs

We could trade a point guard, a back up center, and Bell. They would probably take felton or augustin as a upgrade over udrih. Also, they only have one true center on their roster, Spencer Hawes, and Im not sure their coach is big on him because he was starting sean may over him at the beginning of the season.

by MR. MANN on Nov 15, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

They may need a PG...

but neither Felton, nor Augustin are worth Kevin Martin, even with Bell’s expiring and a backup center.

Martin is a valuable commodity, and what do you bet if the Kings offered Martin and a lottery protected 1st the Timberwolves would trade Ricky Rubio’s rights to them in a second.

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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 7:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course the Timberwolves would trade Rubio's rights.

They have nothing currently. Why wouldn’t they want a guy who’s actually, you know, playing in the NBA?

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

So I don't understand what your point is.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Point is.

If Sacramento decide to shop Kevin Martin they’re going to be approached with much better deals than Felton and garbage.

I think most GM’s would consider Rubio’s rights more valuable than Felton, but if you don’t like that scenario pick your poison. What I’m saying is Martin is not garbage and his value would be high on the market.

It’s moot now because of Stephen Jackson.

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by James The Aussie on Nov 17, 2009 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Aha.

Got it. You are correct.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Our problem is...

We don’t have anything to give…to get something that will benefit any more than what we would lose to get it…

by andrewlail76 on Nov 15, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he's immature, expensive, and isn't a winner.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 15, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston's woes

The Rockets are now reportedly looking to get rid of Tracy McGrady no matter what it takes.
Charlotte could turn their heads and cough up Jackson along with Diaw or Wallace and McGrady and his gimpy knee would be on his way to Charlotte along with several steamer trunks full of bad attitude luggage. The only caveat Houston is demanding is that any trade involve players with insured contracts and the 3 above players all fit that category. Can you say yipes?

by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 21, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

I hear they're not looking to get rid of him at all.

Their owner just wants him on the roster and not playing so they can collect on McGrady’s insurance.

Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt

by MichaelProcton on Nov 21, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That wouldn't be that bad at all...

we could possibly even trade Chandler or Diop along with Jackson and most of our bad contracts would be gone…and they need big man help so they might be willing to take them in the deal…

by jay23 on Nov 21, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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