Bobcats Trade For Stephen Jackson -- Analysis and Links
Via Marc Spears's Twitter, the Bobcats have made a big trade.
We get: STEPHEN JACKSON, ACIE LAW
Warriors get: RAJA BELL, VLADIMIR RADMANOVIC
MORE LINKS: SB Nation Warriors blog Golden State of Mind reacts... You can also follow this story on the SB Nation story stream... Shoals thinks it's exciting for the Cats... Kelly Dwyer thinks it's poetic justice... Henry Abbott emphasizes the upside... Bonnell says Jackson could start tonight...
A snap judgment after the jump...
1) Here's hoping the Bobcats are planning to flip Jackson for more than they would have gotten for Bell alone. I love Cap'n Jack's game, but the Cats can't delude themselves into thinking he's the go-to scorer our mix of talent is missing. Cleveland and the three Texas teams are Jackson's preferred destinations, but I'm not sure which of them makes the most sense as a trade partner for the Cats. J.J. Hickson will be a sticking point with the Cavs. Does it really make sense to get someone like Josh Howard, and would the Mavs give him up? Shane Battier is as much a Larry Brown type player there is, but what does Houston gain by acquiring Jackson? No chance the Spurs want him now, is there?
2) Free Gerald Henderson! The roster is now tailor made to go small, with Wallace taking up minutes at the four and Diaw at the five. I think this is a less than ideal look for the established players, but it would give the back court youngsters more playing time.
3) Free Derrick Brown! Free Alexis Ajinca! VladRad was the primary backup at power forward. Does this mean DB and Freedom Fries will see real playing time so they can take their lumps?
4) There's no way they intend to keep Jackson and build with him, is there? We traded an expiring contract and a two year contract for an expiring contract and a three year contract, which fits in with Charlotte's M.O. the past couple seasons.
5) We're a better team right now, assuming Jackson will actually play for Charlotte. Are we better positioned for the future?
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Damn, if we thought we had it bad at the 4, it just got worse lol….
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by mad_dog_maddux on Nov 16, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions
albeit VladRad not being much of a 4…
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by mad_dog_maddux on Nov 16, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
as much as i dont really like jackson and his attitudes, maybe..just maybe this was the change the bobcats needed to get things going.
oh btw…with 3 pt guards now…is raymond or dj put on the trading block?
by ohcrapitdanny on Nov 16, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
No, Acie Law will probably be out of the NBA after this season. He is only filler in this trade and isn’t likely to play much at all.
i havent watched acie law much since he left texas a&m. i thought he was a pretty good pg in college. u think he’s that bad not to be in the nba after this season?
by ohcrapitdanny on Nov 16, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Warrior fan here,
AC Law is scared to shoot and he doesnt make them unless he in practice. Which is wierd cuz he was an amazing scorer at A&M.
First thing I thought when I sa the trade, form your point of view, was that you got rid of Vlad Rad and are going to try and dump Jack and Nazr toghether at the trade deadline.
Good luck with Jack, he has alot of game. I am stoked that he is your problem and not ours anymore : )
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 16, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
"he doesnt make them unless he in practice"
How is he an over 0.600 shooter if he can only make them in practice?
I’m trying to understand the player we got,
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Other Warriors Fan Here
He’s been fairly productive in the limited minutes he’s gotten. He’s a pretty physical guy. Goofy shot, but he can make em. He also seems to be able to steal decently. As a fan, I’ve been warming up to him recently. He isn’t very good, but I like him as a third option.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 16, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
He was...
But so was Sean Singletary. And Randy Foye. And Marcus Williams. And Kyle Lowry. And Maurice Ager. (Get the point?)
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Neither.
He’s a 5-10 MPG player, if that.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
They're dancing in the streets at Golden state.
Thank God! Got rid of a cancer for a defensive guard who can shoot the 3 and a servicable big man. Thank you!!!!
by crab dribble cocktail on Nov 16, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions
LOL. Fixed:
Got rid of a cancer productive player who couldn’t stand to play for such a worthless organization (see Ellis, Monta for the next edition) for a defensive guard who can shoot the 3 and a serviceable big man.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Contracts Again?
Trading short term contracts for long term contracts? Sounds familiar… I know this makes the Cats better right now but it seems like more long term problems money wise. I kinda hope something bigger is in the works.
My Little Brothers
I told my 12 year old twin brothers that the Cats will probably acquire Stephen Jackson. Their collective response, “Good, I bet Lamarcus Aldridge won’t try to fight him”. I never should have shown them that Malice in the Palace clip on YouTube.
I am pretty sure Jackson won’t end the season as a Bobcat. JJ Hickson and Anthony Parker could help this team. Jackson appears to be asshole from afar, but I am willing to give the brother a chance. Living is Charlotte might mellow him out. Oakland is a hectic place.
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by Julius Coxswain on Nov 16, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions
Aldridge tried to fight who? what? hu?
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Raja Bell and Tyson Chandler
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by Honka Playboy on Nov 16, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
fouls ok, gotcha, (forgot all about that)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Hickson was an absolute non-starter for a Jackson deal with GS.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Should help us
Remember how good our offense looked against Atlanta a couple weeks ago? That is how our offense should look now with Jackson starting instead of Bell. Either it works or we have some good trade bait before the deadline. Good move.
Love the deal for what we sent.
The deal wouldn’t have been done if LB and MJ didn’t think they could whip Jackson’s ass into line. Remember, Rasheed Wallace had a similar reputation as Jackson before playing for Larry Brown.
I know the short term vs. long term contract argument, but at least this trade made us drastically better now. Now, I think we’re potentially a playoff team.
I think Law being in the deal means we’re going to see Felton get moved.
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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions
i love it because we gave up nothing
don’t get me wrong i like Raja and i hope he does well but he is injury prone and Vlad is a scrub. Maybe now we see Ajinca, Brown more..I hope
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
Yeah, Brown really took care of 'Sheed.
That’s why he still leads the NBA in techs every year.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Techs... techs don't mean anything.
2 years ago Kobe led the league in techs.
This year Dwight Howard is 2nd in the league it techs.
Ejections is where it’s at… and Sheed hasn’t led the league in that since 2000-01.
Before Larry Brown coached Wallace he was ejected from 19 games.
Since being coached by Brown: 5 games
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by James The Aussie on Nov 17, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
your management (whoever pulls the string) is higher than a kite....
?are u guys crazy? jack wont like playing there. he’s an allstar that doesnt play on bad teams let alone horrible ones. who are u going to try and trade him for? what team? with his tude i cant see him playing anywhere except where he wants to play. i like that he got shafted and sent to another bad team. sick of all the whiners that make millions and have to play for certain teams. u guys got a bad headache coming your way…enjoy
Better a headache than no head at all...
Warriors got shafted on this deal. Bell is a good played but will be gone in the offseason and Radmanovich has been wholly dissapointing missing the vast majority of his much touted 3 pt prowess.
Larry Brown whips players into shape.
Don Nelson causes more problems wherever he goes.
Just the fact this deal was talked about last week with us sending Boris Diaw turns this into highway robbery by the cats.
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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it was a great trade i hope it works out
just think Felton (Augustin)/Jackson/Gforce/Diaw/Chandler
perhaps the best Bobcats lineup ever
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
Perhaps
If we’d kept Okafor it would be absolutely 100% the best.
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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
If only you guys knew...
Mark my words. In less than a year you will despise Jackson for the way he plays: stupid turnovers, volume shooter, arguing with the refs, constant 1 on 5 iso’s and the list goes on a on.
I guess you can hope he will morph into a totally different player now that he doesn’t have free reign to do whatever the [site decorum] he wants on the court. Here’s to hoping!
by randolphforpresident on Nov 16, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think we DO know
And the consensus is that the smart move is to ship him off in a trade in the off-season before he starts his garbage.
Of course that would mean that the Bobcats front office will have the wisdom to know this is what needs to be done and, judging from the track record, it may be asking an awful lot. The money woes are going to get even tighter next season however, and Bob Johnson is getting mighty creative at keeping his wallet protected, so it’s a fair bet that dealing Jackson before the 2010/11 season starts.
I think the real question is going to be how good a job will the decision makers do in making the deal when the time comes.
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 16, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
You only think you know
Jackson is among the toughest to watch players I’ve ever seen.
You guys definitely got the talent upgrade, but seriously, Jackson is as bad as you’ve heard. You don’t know- you haven’t watched all of his games.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 16, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
The one thing I'll say about Brown:
He certainly demands discipline from his players, even if he doesn’t get it.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
You say Bell will be gone like it's a bad thing.
They’re clearing up an ugly cap situation as we’ve refused to do (and actually created/worsened) over the last several seasons.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
He's certainly a whiner...
But he also suggested he was happy to be out of GS, and that he was a fan of Jordan, who got him here. I guess it would be a nice ego boost when one of the best players of all time likes your game enough to acquire you (his terrible record as a GM notwithstanding.)
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Jackson is ready to play 48 minutes a game.
Because Henderson still won’t be getting any minutes. And LB loves him some veteran saavy.
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I don't like this trade
I don’t see how an added distraction will help this team. I have to hope that this is to set up a trade, otherwise I don’t see why we would get rid of raja. I really like Raja Bell on this team, so I don’t like to see him ago, ESPECIALLY for Steven Jackson. I don’t like the dude at all.
Hopefully this makes sense in hindsight.
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I don't like Jackson's personality either...
but I’ll keep referring to Sheed. Who was supposedly the problem child of the NBA until he played for Larry and became a model citizen.
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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Except he remained a consumate pro after Brown left and the Pistons declined.
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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Rasheed Wallace is still an asshole
it doesn’t help he went to Carolina
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
by raysfan81 on Nov 16, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He hasn't had to play for a bad team since the Pistons declined tho
I think you are giving too much credit to LB’s influence
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
Model citizens don't get suspended every year for excessive techs.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
What distraction?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Love the trade...
Especially for what we gave up…I’m actually surprised that Warriors gave up Jackson for Bell and Radman…but regardless this makes happy b/c we get much needed scoring help that we lacked without giving up Diaw or Wallace….
you are correct
glad we didnt give up much
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
Well, one of two things is going to happen now
Scenario one is that Jackson is here to stay. Depending on who you are listening to, either the Charlotte PD had better higher an extra SWAT team, or we’re getting the deal of the year. He’s been in the center of a lot of trouble to be sure, but Marbury and Tim Duncan both swear he’s among the nicest and best they’ve ever played with. Regardless of his off-the-court tendencies, if he stays and plays he IS a large part of the answer to our offense nightmares. He’s proven more than once that he’s capable of being a scoring beast. If he gives us that presence you can expect both Diaw and Wallace to improve dramatically as well because for the first time ever the Bobcats will present opposing coaches with multiple players on the court that are serious threats to develop a hot hand and shoot some lights out. Do you double Jackson and leave Wallace undefended? I wouldn’t recommend it. Leave Diaw alone instead? A better option, but if you live or die by that choice Boris will burn you. In LB’s halfcourt offense, Jackson will quicken our rotation, open our lanes, and give Wallace at least a handful of easy trips to the hole caused by defensive hesitation. It might even light a spark under Chandler who will suddenly find himself with some elbow room down low.
The verdict – if Jackson stays the Bobcats now have a VERY realistic shot at the 6 or 7 seed and we’re going to scare a few clubs that were otherwise going to be taking us for granted.
Option 2 is that this is part of a bigger scheme and Jackson will barely get fitted with a Cats uniform before he’s off to somewhere else. I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to figuring out who we can get. The Warriors have wanted to get rid of Jackson in a HUGE way and he’s all but begged several teams himself. Charlotte was well down on the list of teams initially and yet here he comes. I don’t see us packaging a deal with any of the teams Jackson wanted to play for and I don’t see any team that can help us that will be willing to take him. I’ve been a soccer coach for 19 seasons. I know how to develop the players that are in front of me and I know how to develop a team around the skills of said players. I know how to adapt a gameplan to challenge whatever team is next on the schedule and I know how to adjust on the fly during the games. I’m nobody’s talent scout. I do have a business degree so I can crunch numbers, but that’s about it when it comes to dealing and trading. Skills-wise, I just don’t see us doing a lot better than Jackson so I’m hoping he stays with us and Brown is able to keep a leash on any problems – on or off court – that Jackson may bring along with him. For all I know, we’re about to trade Jackson AND Chandler for a couple of draft picks and a used Ford Pinto.
I do like the numbers potential and what it may mean to the players on our team that are struggling to find their individual rhythms. This has a massive potential upside on that level. I liked Raja and I’m sorry to see him go, but Im frankly amazed it was him and not Diaw headed west.
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 16, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Fantastic breakdown!
Really great post Ourdaywillcome.
I really think Jackson stays. He’s a proven tenacious defender and very good scorer. The other team who it seems were hot to trot for Jackson was Cleveland. But, it’s hard to think what they could send to us honestly.
He’s the kind of player who will be perfect trade bait this time next year to a team who missed out on the LBJ, D-Wade, Bosh sweepstakes and are looking to add talent to satiate an angry fan base (I’m looking at you New York).
We need scoring… desperately… and from a pure scoring perspective we just added a total 23 ppg for 17 ppg.
I know people are dismissing him, but don’t sleep on Acie Law. He’s averaging over 6 pts in just 13 minutes while shooting 0.643% from the field.
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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Law could also play 2 though he may be a little undersized and i would much rather see more henderson
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
still think we need Kapono: completes the team
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
You know he's never actually been good, right?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
If we also get Eddie House
we can have the best 2nd and 3rd Banana players in the whole NBA.
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I'd take that deal
Chandler and Jackson for draft picks and a used Pinto would be a steal for the Bobcats. They would have cap space and draft picks, which in other words would mean a future instead of the present dead weight / bad contracts.
actually Nazr has been good lately not dead weight anymore
Diop on the other hand is completely useless. Whatever GM gave him that contract needs their head exaimined
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
Ha...
Since when are we taking Stephon Marbury’s word on anything?
Oh, and as for our “very realistic shot at the #7 seed…”, that’s now going to take 42 wins. We ain’t going 6 over .500 the rest of the year, period.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
The definition of a fan
–noun an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer of a sport, pastime, celebrity, etc
That’s from Dictionary.com which also says that it’s a derivative of the term “fanatic.”
There are some here already and as the season progresses there will be more of them.
As this season progresses either you will be dining on your words or I will be dining on mine.
Time will tell.
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 17, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
What's your point?
I’m an enthusiastic follower of the team.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
No point intended beyond
saying that your posts are overwhelmingly negative and seldom show any admiration for either the Cats or anyone who actually roots for them.
We’ve had Jackson for 1 game, have had only glimmers of any upside he might bring this season, and you have already decided not only how many wins the team will require to have a shot at the 7 seed and that there is no way it will happen. You aren’t saying, “I don’t THINK they can make it,” you are outright saying they can’t do it “period.”
As I said, time will tell. I didn’t say they’d make it, I said they’d have a very realistic shot at it. I still believe they will.
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 17, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Fine.
In my mind, they have an EXCEPTIONALLY realistic shot at finishing well under the 40+ wins they’ll need to make the playoffs. Happy? Does it really make a difference?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 4:02 AM EST up reply actions
Bait
You sure do enjoy baiting, don’t you? From your holding everyone to each literal word they type to saying things like, “you claim you were at a game…” to ignoring facts you don’t like in favor of manipulating ones that you do.
You claim to be a student – assuming you recall your SATS:
You are a fan of the Charlotte Bobcats as Saddam Hussein is a fan of:
A. George Bush
B. The United States
C. The Christian Faith
D. All of the above
You may think that endless pessimism protects you from disappointment, but one day you will learn that it only leaves you bereft of elation.
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 18, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be happy if they were ever successful.
When’s the last time that happened?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Friday November 6, 2009
A win against the Atlanta Hawks. Last time I checked, winning a game is a success, albeit in the short run.
by WhatAboutBob_cats on Nov 18, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, but one game is not enough to offset several years of misery now.
I’m waiting for something sustained, even if it’s only in the front office. Unfortunately, people like you are drawn in by that short run success and so the front office keeps aiming for that 39-win #8 seed that gets swept in the first round so that we can “sell tickets.” But as far as I’m concerned, it’ll take long-term success to get the city and the fans behind the team. Two or three sellouts in March and April aren’t worth limiting the team’s future growth and potential.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Please be more of a douchebag and patronize me more!
Thanks for the “people like you” condescending comment! I really appreciate it! Also, if people like me are only attracted to short term success, and there has been no long term success, what makes you a fan of the team? Long term failure? Proximity to an nba team? I am a fan because I love basketball and the Bobcats represent my home town. Maybe I am also a fan of the Cats because I saw them win a game or two a few years back. So what? Short term success is necessary to bring in new fans and yet I also desire that long term success that every team is after. I for one, am fine with the Bobcats having growing support after each win in the short term.
Do you think your idea that long term success and high playoff seeds attract more fans is a secret that no one in the front office knows? Of course they know that. The front office is not hoping for year after year of 8th seeds. But an 8th seed would show progress and could eventually be the stepping stone to lead to more success. The Hawks were once an 8th seed that everyone thought would be blown out. Now they’re a respectable team at the top of some power rankings.
by WhatAboutBob_cats on Nov 18, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
This section of comments offends me....
because I am George W Bush. And I hate the Bobcats.
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Proximity to the team is pretty much all they've got going, yeah.
I love the play of Gerald Wallace, and there was, for the first few years an overriding spirit in the team’s play that said while they knew they were under-talented, they’d fight hard every night and steal the games they shouldn’t have. Bernie Bickerstaff was patiently building a team that could have lasting, sustained success so that they didn’t go the route of the early Panthers. Unfortunately, our executives have clung to the idea of that #8 seed as the only goal that matters. And I’m sure this makes me a “closet Hawks fan,” but I can acknowledge the Hawks team of ‘07-’08 was far better built for success than ours. They were built around a talented young nucleus that they drafted and developed on their own (J-Smoov, Marvin Williams, Horford, Childress. They had a legit NBA superstar in Joe Johnson. And they had managed their payroll well enough that they were able to acquire a steadying player in Mike Bibby without sacrificing any talent on their end. And they didn’t even have to take on a Diaw/Diop/Mohammed/Jackson-esque anchor contract to do it. Bibby was expensive, sure, but he was also only under contract one more year, so if it hadn’t worked out, they could either trade him as a valuable talented player with an expiring contract or just let it expire in one year and reaped the benefits of the cap space.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 19, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN trade machine
Just for the hell of it I ran the trade through the process at
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
and the results were interesting. According to La Machine both teams lose on the deal. The Bobcats get a net loss of 1 win for the season and the Warriors net a loss of 4 wins.
Of course, there is a disclaimer directly under it that promises the analysis is likely to be 100% correct or 100% wrong, so take it with a grain of salt!
Looking at the dollars and cents, James the Aussie is right in saying that in order for it to work we’ll need to unload Jackson’s money by the trade deadline next year. But there is one thing to consider when we look at that. Jackson’s known for a honeymoon period where he comes into town smiling and full of community service projects to counterbalance his bad rep. We can take full advantage of that this season and then use it as part of the pitch as in: “And LOOK how nice and rehabilitated he is now! Gosh willickers we hate to lose him, but we need to free up some cap space and shucks, even though you have us over a barrel, we have no choice but to let him go…”
The trick is in getting rid of him before he decides that Charlotte is just too podunk a club and town for a godlike talent such as his and he starts acting up again – assuming he follows his previous patterns.
Tough call for the Bobcats
The best thing for them really at this point would be to get John Wall (or a dynamic player such as that) and build around that player. But the problem is you can’t guarantee you’ll get that player in the draft anyway.
It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out, although I understand the wariness of this deal for the Bobcats fan. Tough call.
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Need him to play tonight
I just need him to play tonight… he’s on my fantasy team.
I hope this trade works out well for the ’Cats…
Bobcats Front Office Confused About Trades...
and salaries and what not. I mean, I dunno. Sure, this might help us here in the short term, but it’s just adding to the already daunting financial issues the team will be facing the next few years.
I like Raja Bell, and I’m glad he came on board last year, but I was certain he would not end this season as a Bobcats. He’s an expiring contract and he’s very injury prone. He’s a great player, on and off the court, and I think he’s contributed admirably to our team.
I could care less about Vlad. Never liked that we brought him over to begin with.
I’m not a huge Jackson fan, but this team does need some sort of scorer, so perhaps he can solve that problem. Although, in general, to me he’s always had attitude problems,
by Roger, Roger on Nov 16, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
GP.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Acie Law IV
Is Acie Law Sean Singletary-esque or will he be a viable contributor to the Cats? I haven’t seen him play since he left TX A&M. I don’t know where he will find minutes behind Flip, DJ, and Raymond.
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by Julius Coxswain on Nov 16, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions
I know people are saying he’s just a Singletary in this deal, but look at his per 36 minute stats:
Acie Law: 16.9 ppg, 3.8 ast, 3.2 spg
Raymond Felton: 13.1 ppg, 5.7 ast, 1.3 spg
I think Law could be alot more than filler… I really do.
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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
About Acie Law from Warriors fan
Acie Law is a good energy guy. He might not be highly talented, but he is always under control, a decent defender, and can hit open shots (including 3s).
I like to think of him as a bigger Kyle Lowry. He’s a very physical PG, so much so that Nellie had him playing SF because of how decimated by injuries we are. He did a decent job defending guys 6"+ taller than him.
My guess is that you could play him 10-15 minutes a game, and he would put up decent back-up numbers along with some defensive effort that Larry Brown will love. His steal numbers right now are a bit skewed by his play during garbage time when the Warriors blew out the T-Wolves, because he had 5 steals in the 4th quarter.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Nov 16, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
He also got those numbers playing in a hugely uptempo system against scrubs in garbage time.
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by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Some more food for thought on Stephen Jackson
Let’s not forget that he has a championship ring he won with the Spurs in 2003.
Furthermore, let’s not forget Gregg Popovich and Larry Brown are long time colleagues and friends.
What do you bet LB put a call in to Pop to find out more about Jackson as a player and teammate before he gave MJ the green light?
It’s one of the bonuses of having such a well established coach, connections.
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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 4:56 PM EST reply actions
You know Stephen Jackson went to Atl after that right?
Because of salary haggling?
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Absolutely
But he has the money he wants now… so there’s only behavior issues, not money issues too.
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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if the Bobs doing this now means that they could turn around and flip him at some point
to Cleveland or another contending team for a better package than what they could get with Radman & Bell.
I really think that might be the end game here. The Warriors had to trade Jackson, but if he’s playing well, and Charlotte isn’t winning a lot of games, what’s the harm in moving him again?
It’s not like the Bobcats don’t have time to evaluate whether this move works, and they only have to wait 60 days until they can move S-Jax with another player.
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Warriors fan here.
1) I actually think Jack will be motivated to prove everyone wrong for a while (read: 1 year). 2) He’s a REALLY good defender when motivated, giving you guys a great defensive unit which brown loves…
3) Underrated passer, mover of the ball. With him and Diaw, you guys should be able to spread the ball VERY well and make up for your lack of a prototypical PG…
You may not have a prototypical scorer…. but it could work. I like Augustin, jack, diaw, wallace, chandler starting 5, It’s gritty, its tough, it could be like what houston’s got going on. Jack can help space floor with Diaw. When you guys space better, Wallace can attack the lane and he’s 1 of best in league at that.
I think he’ll buy into what Brown’s saying for now.
As a Warrior fan how do you feel about the deal?
Do you think this means the Warriors hope to become players in the summer of 2010?
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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
zero chance we're playing in 2010....
even with all our expiring we’ll come in a few mil under the projected 2010 salary cap. Aka same as an MLE. I am more excited by prospect of using Raja, devean geroge, speedy claxton (expiring contract paid for by insurance) along with another piece in a trade to a team who WANTS to become a 2010 player. Kind of like the Lakers-Gasol trade (although it’s unlikely we’d get half as lucky)…..
As for trade.. I’m happy. Jackson shot any chance at legitimate talent value with those media comments. Add to it his horrid extension, we had little options. I REALLY wanted Diaw for him, but it was never going to happen (with Monta @PG, we need a wing player who can pass.. in short, jack on a good day). I hope Bell can help our younger players like Morrow play better defense. Radmonovic…. He is a perfect fit for Nellieball (which scares me).
All my gripes are with upper management. Giving Jack the extension when everyone knew it was a bad idea. Not re-signing Baron. Trading Jrich for BWright (read salary dump) instead of having the balls to make the Garnett move. (Rumor was we could have been involved in 3way were you get Jrich, we send #9 pick + monta + future #1s for Garnett) and on and on…
Insurance is not covering Claxton's deal.
When he suited up to play, that option went away unless he gets hurt again.
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--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think it means they wanted desperately to get rid of Jackson and blow the whole thing up.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I absolutely think his passing is the key.
Our ball movement has been godawful so far this year, and I think his playmaking tendencies really help us in that department.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Witholding judgement
While it will take a lot to get me on the Cap’n Jax bandwaggon, I won’t trash this trade quite the way I did the Okafor/Chandler debacle. If the Bobcats can swap Jackson out for something useful in the next year or so, this deal might work out ok.
But not because Jackson is going to turn the Bobcats scoring woes around. While Jackson has scored between 15 and 20 points a game ever since the Spurs bailed on him, he’s not an efficient scorer. He’s shooting at an abysmal .421 percentage this year, which is still slightly better than his .418 career rate. And this year he’s shooting only .275 on 3 pointers while taking 4.4 per game. Basically, the Bobcats just traded for a taller version of Allen Iverson.
But I do hold out some hope for this trade. Last year a struggling Clipper team made a trade much like this one for Zach Randolph. Randolph brought much of the same baggage (checkered past and attitude problems) and benefits (scoring) that Jackson brings to Charlotte. Both were traded from teams desperate to dump their bloated contracts to teams with struggling offenses. Randolph made the Clippers better but definitely not good, and I expect Jackson to have a similar effect on the Bobcats.
The best case scenario for this trade is for Jackson to take some of Felton’s shots and help reduce Gerald’s minutes before he wears out and breaks down. Then in the off-season, the Bobcats will need to switch out Jackson for some depth and/or expiring contracts just as the Clips did with Randolph. If the Bobcats can follow that plan, then this move could be ok.
.421 isn't so abysmal...
Particularly when you consider that our starting PG shoots worse, yet still leads the team in shots every year.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Guys sorry to break the news to ya
But Jackson’s contract is the poison pill. NOONE will take him for any value. If your trading him again you will get back garbage and long term $$ in return. This is just another brilliant move by MJ! Executive of the year!!!!!!!!
by crab dribble cocktail on Nov 16, 2009 6:48 PM EST reply actions
I'm fine with getting garbage back.
We sent garbage.
Bell is good, but expiring and VladRad underperformed.
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by James The Aussie on Nov 16, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, garbage is ok
I have no illusions that the Bobcats will trade Jackson for even talent. Trading him for role players ( like a backup PF) or expiring contracts is fine. He could be a decent one year Bobcat rental. The risk is that he becomes disgruntled, and there are no takers later.
Well... better than AI
I’ll admit, I was one of the ones who wanted AI for the Bobcats (I thought reuniting with Larry Brown would be good). The kid just left Memphis though… that’s not to say that the same would have happened in Charlotte, but still.
by CharginChuck on Nov 16, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think this deal does make us marginally better for now.
But I still don’t think that will mean the playoffs, and I think we’ll be that much more restricted for the future unless we can flip him back off to somebody else.
As to the young guys, I think it will probably get Brown on the court now, but I don’t know that it makes things any different for Henderson. Ostensibly, Jackson will just take Bell’s minutes at SG, which won’t open up any more for Henderson. We might see a little Jackson-Wallace-Diaw at 3-4-5, but they’ll probably play with Felton and Augustin, not Henderson.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
This trade kind of makes me scratch my head....
It makes some sense on paper, due to the Cats offensive woes, but at the same time people on this board were just talking about “playing the young guys to build for the future.” And then we trade for a guy who is essentially a decent scorer, but not a long term answer. I think it would be helpful to know if this team is planning on growing into a contender built around young players and flexibility, or trading for castoffs and remaining in playoff limbo. Because this is kind of frustrating.
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Trading for castoffs and remaining in limbo
That’s a pretty good description of management’s strategy over the past two years. I don’t see any evidence this team intends to build itself around young players. That’s just the wishful thinking of many of us on this board. But one bright day, the ownership will change, and then so will the management, and maybe then the Bobcats can rebuild around young talent.
Ha...
Maybe the next owner hires Bernie Bickerstaff as the next President. He was doing it right.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions

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