Blazers Beat Bobcats 80-74; Sometimes, You Just Lose
Even when the Bobcats play the game they're trying to play, it doesn't always work out. Such is life for NBA teams painfully short on talent. They slowed down the pace, stayed roughly even in rebounds, put Greg Oden in foul trouble, and still lost, 80-74.
There are plenty of things I'd change about the way the team is coached -- kick up the tempo a notch, make a concerted effort to eschew all but only the most open threes, play Gerald Henderson more, to name a few -- but the system isn't flawed so much as the players running it simply haven't been executing. This offense has worked for fifty years, at all levels of the game. When the team shoots 37% from the field, something's going horribly wrong.
Highlights and lowlights after the jump.
BAD
-- 37% shooting from the field. That includes a surprisingly competent 6-19 shooting from three, though. That means Oden and Joel Przybilla anchored a robust interior defense, because the Cats, even with their lack of post offense, should still do better than 24-63 (38%) on twos.
-- Tyson Chandler, I like your rebounding, and I keep reading great things about how you're a defensive leader as much as a producer, but dude, seriously, you've got to enroll in Hakeem Olajuwon's classes, or something. It's not a good thing when Nazr Mohammed is legitimately your offense-defense platoon partner. 4 points in 25 minutes is awful.
-- D.J. Augustin: still slumping. It's good that he got more than 19 minutes, but 3 points on 1-5 shooting, 0 free throws, and 0 assists doesn't cut it.
-- We knew the deal with Flip Murray. 1-8 shooting nights are part of the package.
-- Gerald Henderson with the DNP-CD again.
GOOD
-- Applause for Boris Diaw, who won his matchup with LaMarcus Aldridge. Diaw scored 21 points on 18 shots in his 41 minutes and was the primary force holding Aldridge to 11 points on 4-11 shooting and only 7 rebounds.
-- Good to have you back, VladRad. I know it sucks that we're asking you to play power forward a lot this year, but think of playing it the way Boris does. You can still take threes and do your thing on the perimeter.
-- Derrick Brown got real playing time! More than 7 minutes!
-- Stephen Graham got a DNP-CD. His presence on the roster serves no purpose. I get that he's probably a great guy and he works hard in practice, but that's the kind of guy you want on the Spurs or Cavs or any other real contender. With us, he's just taking up a roster slot that could be used more productively. Please release him and start cycling through D-Leaguers with ten-day contracts until one really sticks. It shouldn't be hard to find a young swingman who belongs in the NBA. The D-League is littered with such projects. Hey, I found one in thirty seconds!
WHAT?
-- The Trail Blazers won despite tallying only 8 assists.
-- Juwan Howard? 12 minutes? Really?
-- I watched the last two rounds of Pacquiao's dismantling of Cotto while sitting next to Greg Oden. I generally leave celebrities alone when I run into them in public, but I couldn't resist asking him if he'd done well in the game. He looked perturbed and mumbled, "I did all right." That's it. That's the story.
-- Oh, and after the fight, the crowd at Fox and Hound started chanting "Mayweather! Mayweather! Mayweather!"
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sign iverson
AI will be a good fit to Bobcats because we are good in rebounding and defense and AI will take care of running and scoring.. I think LB can give him a starting job and a lot of minutes on the floor. We can trade Bell or Felton or any of our guards to get AI..
Hey David, do we still have chance to sign AI?
Yeah, we should DEFINITELY sign a guy who's under contract with another team.
GREAT IDEA!
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 15, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Errrr...
Trust me on this one…
You do NOT want AI on your team. Unless of course you want to halt any and all progress your young guys are making. Because you’re going to cut down their touches significantly.
Dave's Keys to the Season: "GREG ODEN SMASH!!!!!!"
Signing AI is the basketball equivalent of choosing to have your entire team travel on the Hinderburg.
Too soon?
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Nov 15, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
A few observations
Wow, I’d forgotten just how different things look at the arena then they do on tv. You get used to watching on the tube and you forget just how much more of the game you see in person. Things that you barely notice stand out and become obvious when you can see the court itself. The problem on tv is that even though you get a look at a lot of the half court, the camera is following the ball and there’s just stuff the camera doesn’t pick up. It’s like the difference between pan and scan versus widescreen – and for the record, I’m
a widescreen purist.
First thing’s first – David hit the nail on the head. It’s all about execution and the Bobcats don’t do it. If they did, we’d be winning – a lot. I spent the game sitting with a new best friend that I’d never met before. That sort of thing happens a lot. You don’t spend 3 hours sitting next to someone that is sharing the same frustrating agony as you without commiserating. And believe me, we were in agony – a lot. We were two groups of strangers; A man with his little boy, and a man in a wheelchair along with the finest looking woman in the building. By the end of the second quarter even the little boy (about 7 or 8 years old) and the woman that had never been to the pro game before were shaking their heads in amazement and misery.
A few things that wouldn’t have shown up on the tv:
Early in the game the Cats ran a set play. It involved one of the things that I mentioned would be essential to a Cats victory. They ran a pass rotation play that was to swing the ball around to Felton who would dish to Tyson Chandler in the corner. Chandler’s job was to circle under the basket without the ball to shake the defense and pop out to the corner for the pass. He would then have the option of driving the now open baseline or shoveling the rock into the post to a waiting Wallace who, would have stepped into the post to set stifle Chandler’s pursuing coverage. The ball shot around the perimeter into Felton’s hands with 9 seconds on the clock. He shifted left to make the pass and the only thing anywhere near the corner was a cameraman wearing a look of shock at suddenly being in the game. Chandler had run under the basket and into Wallace’s back. He never made it to the baseline. Felton looked up at the clock – 6 Seconds – looked into the post where Wallace was disentangling himself from his defender, Chandler’s defender, and of course, Chandler. No help there. At the 5 second mark, Felton looked back around the perimeter and saw Boris Diaw. Diaw got the ball with 2 seconds on the clock and threw up a brick in desperation.
This is our offense people. Less than a minute later Chandler racked up his second foul and took his apparently constitutionally guaranteed walk to the bench where he could watch the rest of the first half in comfort. You can easily recognize Chandler’s chair. It’s the one that has a scuff mark on the floor directly in front of it. Larry Brown has worn that mark into the wooden floor with his knee. That’s because he spent the next 10 minutes dropping onto that spot to chew on Chandler’s chin between plays.
I’ve been carping that among the biggest problems the Cats have is that we have nobody that can post up and score inside. One of the pluses last night was that the Bobcats did attack the paint. It paid off well for them. Diaw in particular had great success slashing to the basket. As is becoming all too common, we went ice cold for a long stretch and then commenced to living and dying on the perimiter. I didn’t immediately pick up on why, but my new best friend from the game did. “Why the hell is Boris Diaw just standing around at the three point line? Does he think he’s a blankity blanking shooting guard?” (I am removing the profanity partially to protect the innocent and mostly because the guy was really good at it and I’m keeping a few of the better ones for myself to use when I need them.) Well, we started watching. Diaw, who spent the first half slashing through the blazers like he was cutting through the jungle looking for the Lost City of Gold. Diaw would park himself at the outer elbow between the key and the 3-line and watch. It was ludicrous. At one point my wife counted 5 possessions where Diaw’s defender stood in the key with his hands on his hips – bored. By the 4th time there were people all around me screaming “cut to the basket!” at the top of their lungs. The lane was wide open. Felton was in perfect position to dish the ball had Diaw taken one step toward the passing lane. It was an NFL-sized hole right up the middle to the hoop – easy deuce. Boris Diaw never moved. He watched with the rest of us while Felton repeatedly charged the forwards and got consumed by the tall trees under the basket.
Eventually, I watched as one of Larry Brown’s ulcers grabbed a bottle of Maalox to treat IT’S ulcer.
The Blazers tried their best. They tried to give us the game. The spent the entire second half playing one-on-one ball, taking turns ignoring anything resembling a set play. They gave up on hustling back in transition. At one point, A Bobcat stole the ball under the rim, dished to a racing Wallace and the Cats were off on a 3 on 2 fast break. Wallace crossed the halfcourt line and slammed on the brakes instead of passing to a streaking Chandler on the wing. While he stood there dribbling in place, the Blazers trotted back upcourt and took position. Only THEN did Wallace pass the ball to Raymond Felton, who then set up a play that the Bobcats failed to execute to completion.
As most of you by now know, the only thing that remained was for Chandler to do what he does best – pick up a technical foul. In fact, at that point everyone but fans was picking up technicals – but that’s because most of the fans were already gone by that point.
The game did confirm one thing I’d pretty much decided on already. They need Tyson Chandler for Shrek 4. He’s much better at being an ass than Eddie Murphy ever dreamed of. The Bobcats lost the game last night for 2 reasons. First because once the game reached the midpoint Diaw forgot that success in basketball comes to those who move without the ball. He just checked out. Second, because Tyson Chandler has no idea what he’s doing in Larry Brown’s offense and he can’t keep his hands to himself on defense. This isn’t just my opinion. Time Warner had a security guard standing right behind me. His job is to keep people from crashing the high-priced season ticket area directly in front of the radio media. With about 5 minutes left in the game, while everyone in my area was yelling at Diaw to cut into the lane, from over my right shoulder the guard said, “save your breath. He won’t move. This happens this every night.” Surprised, I looked at him and he shook his head and said, “every… damned… night.” He then turned his back and walked away. We spent our second half with a point guard trying to play power forward while our power forward insisted on standing at the shooting guard slot.
Such is the case in Charlotte. Cheerleaders the size of bumpy toothpicks smile while men the size of small forests take root on the court and don’t move for anything. The potential is there. I saw a good coach all but begging his players to execute the plays. I saw several average players with HUGE hearts struggle to do the right thing only to be stuck trying to do it all themselves. I saw several players with no heart for the game at all. I saw a team that should be winning and isn’t.
The failure of the Charlotte Bobcats is not the fault of Michael Jordan. Nor is it Raymond Felton’s or Larry Brown’s. This team isn’t going anywhere until we get rid of Tyson Chandler and replace him with someone that will execute a set play and work through a defensive screen without throwing a tantrum. Fix that and players like Diaw will remember that they like the game and start trying for the full 48 instead of giving up part-way through. Fix that and Felton’s assists will start to climb once again and he’ll be able to stop throwing hail Mary shots at an expiring shot clock. Fix that and DJ Augustin will relax and find his game again instead of spending his time on the court in quiet desperation. Fix that and we won’t have to rely so heavily on our bench reserves to play against the starters from the 3 minute mark of the first quarter. Get rid of Tyson Chandler and Charlotte will have a basketball team again.
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 15, 2009 11:45 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Jordan and Brown MADE THESE MOVES!
Every one of the moves that’s been made in the last year plus has been done so that Brown has his perfect roster. Unfortunately, he can’t even coach it. And why do we have Chandler, who you claim as the root of our problems? Because Brown didn’t like Emeka Okafor, who’s light years better.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 15, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Brown's perfect roster
Brown didn’t like Okafor so we dealt him. No argument there.
Jordan/Brown got Chandler for him. I’ll give you that one too.
Over the course of his career Chandler has smoked his 2009/10 stats all the way across the board. He had nothing show up on his physical to indicate a tangible reason to expect a substandard performance, although he’s been boo-boo prone in the past. He just plain hasn’t produced. The deal should have been for a better player, but the team was looking at the long-term dollar signs. We had Okafor for 5 years more in a $72 million contract and by trading him we got a player that constricts the budget for just 2 seasons. We’re actually stuck for less time and money by far with the Chandler deal than we would have been holding Okafor. With Chandler we got height and, on paper at least, a better overall defensive center. The deal wasn’t exactly epic in its wisdom, but it wasn’t the toilet paper you make it out to be either. It helped the long-term positioning of the team.
UNFORTUNATELY, the reality is that Chandler isn’t holding up his end of the deal on any level. If he were just equalling his career stats we’d have some cause to grumble until we can open up the pocketbooks at the end of next season. But it wouldn’t be the howling bad situation we currently have. The decision to bring him here was made with the pocketbook as the main concern. I wasn’t in the room when the trigger got pulled on the deal so I can’t say there wasn’t a better option. It was a seller’s market when it came to Chandler and I think we could have gotten more for him – cash or draft considerations at least – than we did. It wasn’t a great deal, but as I said, it didn’t suck out loud either.
So we’re stuck. Buy him out or sit him until he decides to play smarter. Maybe he just doesn’t like it in Charlotte or he’s sick of playing ball. In that case, buying him out might get easier by the day.
If you REALLY want to see a great example of a suck-out-loud move from management, talk to me next season if Johnson and Co. decide to RENEW the contract!
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 16, 2009 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
"It was a seller's market?"
You’re kidding, right? Did you see the deal the Hornets agreed to so he’d be OKC’s problem? Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith, plus the rights to a guy who’s staying in Europe indefinitely. Okafor is a hundred times better than either of those players, and at probably fifty times better than the pair as a package. New Orleans was desperate to rid themselves of his contract at any cost, and yet we threw them a borderline All-Star who’s been as close to a double-double guarantee as there’s been in the league over the course of his career.
And I’m not sure what you mean about a contract renewal. If you’re referring to the option, it’s on Chandler’s end, and he’s sure to take us, given that he wouldn’t sniff $10 mil in the FA market, much less $14.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
Seller's market
I’d like to say I’m kidding, but I can’t. It was the wee hours of the morning when I typed that and in my fatigue I typed the wrong term. If you read the context you should be able to see that the point I was trying to make was that the Hornets were desperate to dish Chandler – hence my saying we could have gotten more than we did for him. My bad entirely. When I make a mistake I’ll own up to it, as by now you’ve hopefully seen.
By contract renewal I mean if the Cats decide to keep Chandler in a Bobcats uniform past his present expiration date.
Sorry for the confusion in terminology, but my point is no less valid. The deal was better on paper than it wound up being in reality because we aren’t getting what we paid for. There was no reason to expect Chandler to show up DOA at the time the Hancocks were thrown on the bottom line. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t a crystal ball in the room.
Had I been in the front office at the time and looking at the numbers I would have realized that we were painted in a financial corner and Okafor was our most marketable player to use as a means to find relief. The challenge from there was getting the best bang for my buck. Fan goals are different from owner goals. That’s a fact of life. Johnson was looking for a way to open up budget dollars and Coach Brown was looking to conform his lineup to his gameplan. Shoppng Okafor was the best way to achieve both goals. The requirement was that in return we receive a solid player (or players) and a smaller contract. If we pull that off well, we have money left come Christmas morning when an amazing free agent decides to shop himself. You have the grease to become players in the market while at the same time sporting a consistent court presence. It’s a tightrope act. You have to go with youth because an established veteran will demand the same high dollars you’re trying to clean off your payroll. Youth means risk. Look at how many top 3 draft picks have fizzled in just the past 10 years. On paper, Chandler was popping solid numbers when healthy and hadn’t maxed his potential because of his injuries. The big question was his health and he’d already failed a physical because of ankle and toe problems when the Hornets had him packaged and dealt earlier. Best case – we get a healthy Chandler for a couple of years and he’d be with us just as he was hitting his playing prime. He improves across the board and the team prospers. Worst case – we get a gimpy Chandler that blows up on us and we STILL get salary relief 3 years sooner than we would without him. The team staggers for a couple of seasons and we can hopefully recover through improved draft positioning. We take a hit on defense either way, but we’ve supposedly improved our defensive strategies by bringing in a defense-minded coach, so we can deal with it. This was the decision the front office made and we’ve wound up in the worst case situation. He isn’t hurt, but he isn’t playing worth spit. But at the time the calculations were made, it wasn’t a bad deal. For better or worse, it got the necessary job done. While I can almost guarantee that Johnson and Jordan wish along with the rest of us that Chandler was producing to expectations, I can definitely guarantee they aren’t wringing their hands and regretting their stupidity in making the decision in the first place. It wasn’t that stupid a deal at the time.
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 16, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Frankly, I disagree.
Chandler was NEVER going to improve this team (or even make it perform at the same level), regardless of your “expectations” based on his numbers. Chandler has been perpetually injured of late, and even when healthy, he’s a far inferior offensive player to Okafor. In fact, his poor offensive stats have been propped up the last few years by the presence of Chris Paul. When it comes to rebounding, the players are basically the same, but Okafor is a superior defensive player. I can’t imagine how you could spin this trade to be anything but a disaster for the Bobcats. Okafor wasn’t shipped off because he didn’t fit in the “gameplan.” He was shipped off because Brown simply didn’t like him. Apparently he hates stretching so much he’d rather Okafor not play every night than actually focus on things like flexibility and keeping himself healthy. And, again, the notion that FAs will just magically pick Charlotte is foolish.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Seriosly?
Did you REALLY just blame everything that’s wrong with this team on one player? You honestly think that DJ Augustin sucks this year because he’s distracted by his “quiet desperation?” Come on man, that’s absolutely ridiculous. This roster is just a train wreck. Diaw is and always has been a turnover machine. Felton was never a shooter. DJ is a second year player still trying to figure it out. Radmanovich is a space cadet, according to Phil Jackson.
If you look at all the other teams in our talent tier, outside of the Knicks (who are getting rid of everyone on purpose), they’re all young and developing. Oklahoma City, Sacramento, New Jersey, even the Clippers. We’re at our ceiling and bogged down by bad contracts, starting 5 bench players.
Starting 5 bench players is a bit strong.
Wallace would be a starter for most teams in the league, and Wallace and Chandler could start on plenty as the 4th or 5th options.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 15, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Blame
As a matter of fact I do blame one primary problem. Do we suck because we’re at our ceiling? No. If we were getting value for our players we could excell at our payroll ceiling – or well below it. I don’t need to list examples of the salary cap positions of the top tiers of the NBA to make my point, do I? Money has nothing to do with it. It’s value received for the talent paid. That pertains to the bad contracts. We have some, to be sure. They’ll make personel changes difficult for a couple of years unless we buy them out. I’ve stated that before. That’s a problem, but not a reason for the performance level of the team.
Augustin is not performing up to the standards we know from experience that he’s capable of. Chandler isn’t even providing us with numbers in his career range. Wallace himself is openly admitting he can’t hit the broad side of a barn at present and is struggling to help the team in other ways. Felton is trying to be everything in the face of the collapse of those around him and he just doesn’t have the chops for it. At any given point up to 80% of those on the court for Charlotte aren’t playing to expected levels. That’s not a money problem, it’s a human resources problem. The money problem is what’s choking off our options for solutions. The powers that be aren’t willing to dump out the garbage because of the removal costs.
Since the NBA is on all levels a business, let’s look at it coldly from that perspective.
In large companies, the manager of the department would be called on the carpet and potentially canned in favor of someone better qualified to reorganize and maximize the production levels. This may happen – it happens all the time in professional sports. In this case we have one of the best “department managers” on the market. A hall of famer in fact. It’s going to be tricky to find someone else that will make the trains run on time for more than a very temporary period.
In lieu of that, with management realizing that the problem isn’t with the dept. head, each of the employees is reevaluated until decisions can be made that wreak the least havoc while paying the highest dividend. Let’s look at the primary staff:
You mention that Felton has never been a shooter. Fair enough. He plays POINT GUARD. He doesn’t HAVE to be a shooter. He’s trying to be a shooter right now because nobody else is doing the job with any consistency. If you look at when he’s taking his shots, he isn’t letting them rip without calling plays. He isn’t launching with 10 or more seconds on the clock either. In the vast majority of situations it goes like this… Felton brings it into the frontcourt and signals the play. He then sets the ball into motion. With 8 or less seconds on the clock, the ball comes back return to sender because the play wasn’t executed. He looks for another option and then fires so we don’t end up with a clock turnover. Since he isn’t a shooter, his percentage is nothing to scream about to begin with, but with the clock under 5 the added pressure adds up to supreme suckage. The problem isn’t that he’s doing his job poorly at point. It’s that he isn’t getting the chance to succeed or fail. It’s doubtful he’s ever going to excell in his role, but he should be at the very least adequate if given the chance. He’s not guilty of being a ball hog, he’s guilty of being the last – and arguably one of the worst – shooting option.
Shooting Guard – Raja Bell was supposed to be out for four months. He’s still playing at less than 100% and it shows. So this position is somewhat of a revolving door with an out of playing shape Flip Murray still not at 100% either. That leaves us with the healthy option of Gerald Henderson and you can’t expect a rookie to carry that kind of weight well even if LB WAS giving him the minutes. Many here, myself included, think we should be fast-tracking Henderson’s development, but Coach has a crap hand to play at this position so I’m cutting him a small break at the team’s weakest link.
In our forward positions we stare down the barrel of Wallace and Diaw. Even in a self-admitted slump, the latest stat sheet shows Wallace still averaging almost 14 points a game and 11.8 rebound. Well, by golly that’s a double-double average. HE IS NOT THE PROBLEM. Diaw has been erratic, and he is definitely part of what’s going wrong in Charlotte. But he isn’t the biggest reason.
Tyson Chandler – center and foul king of the NBA. He isn’t producing, he isn’t running the plays, he isn’t defending, hell, he isn’t even managing to stay on the court most nights long enough to get his uniform sweaty enough to wash. Since he isn’t executing the called plays that makes him a major reason for ridiculous shot selections coming from Felton and Augustin. Augustin is a second year player and he IS competent. But he’s also young and the cage gets rattled pretty easily. Felton forces shots – Augustin panics and makes stupid passes or shoots as last option and please see the previous supreme suckage comments about what happens in those conditions. Diaw and Wallace are left as the only viable “shooters” on the court and are getting doubled every time they enter the paint because guess what – the rest of the league isn’t stupid. When doubled, you have two options – make contact and take a shot hoping to get to the line, or find the open man. In almost every case the open man is the point guard, so please see the Felton/Augustin situation above. Wallace tries for the shot. Diaw gets frustrated and just plain stops stepping into the passing lanes so he can avoid the whole icky-poo situation. If, as he does every other game or so, Chandler gets into rapid-fire foul trouble and has to sit, Diaw and Wallace have to rely on Mohammed, or Ajinca, or Radman to take up the slack. Do I really need to get into details about that fiasco?
BOTTOM LINE
I’ve outlined every single problem our starting 5 is having on the court and every single one of them has a direct causal effect named Tyson Chandler. Oh, and while I’m at it, he’s eating up a full 20% of the “ceiling” salary you were talking about while giving us a tiny fraction of our offensive output. He IS providing us with 20% of our fouls. But that’s just amongst the starting 5. When you factor in all players, that number drops to 18% of personal fouls for THE ENTIRE TEAM. His salary is $3 million more this season than Wallace’s. From which player do YOU think we’re getting our money’s worth?
So no, I’m not being absolutely ridiculous. We could buy out Chandler and rotate 10 day contract players into our system until we found someone that shows promise and then sign them for the league minimum and be no worse off than we are now.
It’s either that or someone finds the way to get Chandler playing up to his career stats. Thus far this season his fg% is off by 14%, his ppg is down almost 40%, his down 20% in rebounding and his fouls are up (HEY, he did go up in something!) by 20% Right now he’s averaging 1.4 ppg more than Nazr Mohammed – and he’s played more than twice as many minutes. Nazr has almost exactly half as many blocks which is in line with the minutes played. Chandler’s shooting at 46.9% while Nazr is shooting at 51.3. The only stat where Chandler has a clear advantage is with his free throw percentage. When your $11 million starter is posting worse numbers than a scrub making half as much coin, something is insanely wrong.
The man is dragging the entire team down with him. He either starts to play or I say it’s time to bench him and give the starting slot to Mohammed. It’s the best way to guarantee the we’ll reach the 2nd half without Chandler being halfway to fouling out. If we piss him off enough for benching him, maybe he’ll let us buy out his contract for $5 million or so and loosen up the bank account a little for us.
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 16, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
I'm unsure what Brown's "conducting skill" is getting us, exactly.
If the difference between “trains being on time” and derailing is the THREE more wins Brown got us compared to Vincent, who most agree was a disaster as an NBA coach, what’s the point?
Now, on to your player evaluations: You note that Felton is shooting because “nobody else does the job with consistency,” as though his high shot rate at a ridiculously low percentage is some sort of aberration. Felton’s led the team in shots all but one year of his entire career, and that was only because Vincent told Richardson to jack up threes every time he had the ball. Felton has never understood that the responsibility of a PG is to set his teammates up with good shots and to run the offense rather than jacking up 18-footers at 30%. Oh, and given that a full 43% of his shots come before that 8-second window you claim he shoots all of his shots (and 73% before the five-second limit where the pressure just becomes too much for a professional basketball player to make a shot), I’d say the problem is with his decision-making, not the offense.
Chandler has played about 40 minutes of game time with Augustin this season, less than 20% of Augustin’s minutes this year. Augustin’s problem is being forced to play with Felton in the backcourt, who can’t hit a jumper to save his life, as well as Radmanovic instead of Diaw and somebody like Graham instead of Wallace.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 3:36 AM EST up reply actions
100% incorrect
OurDay has it correct. And you, Procto, still obviously have little to no understanding of how to play basketball.
Seriously, do you watch the games?
Almost EVERY TIME Felton and DJ are in the game together Felton is the PG and Augustin is the SG.
I can tell you which one can’t hit a jumper this year…DJ.
You don't like Brown, I get it
And you still haven’t recovered from the horror that your boy Okafor got shopped, I get that too. I didn’t say Felton was a dream come true – I said he’s better than he’s playing this season. Even accepting your percentages as factual, well over half his shots are coming under pressure caused by other offensive breakdowns and if you’ve been watching the games you’ve seen that the colder the team gets the more Felton tries to step up and play out of his head. The pressure doesn’t become too much for a professional basketball player to make a shot when the clock winds down. It DOES become too much for a small point guard that doesn’t have the best shooting skills to take charge against opponents that have a half a foot or more on him in height.
Felton is the starting point guard. Augustin is the reserve guard. Felton starts the game and Augustin is on the bench. How is Augustin’s problem being caused by playing with Felton in the backcourt? “I suck because of the guy playing my position before I get in the game” won’t wash. I agree that part of Augustin’s problem is caused by the lack of talent he shares his minutes with much of the time and I’d much prefer to have him starting over Felton, but I don’t get to make that decision. If situations don’t improve in the next couple of weeks I expect Brown will shuffle the lineup accordingly.
I never once said we had a team of potential champions. Each of our players have problems and weaknesses. But every single one of those individual AND team weaknesses is being made worse by the presence of Chandler on the court. We have a better team than many in here are making them out to be and a better team than Chandler is allowing them to be. I’m suggesting things, based on what I see, that will allow the team to maximize itself within its own limitations. It amazes me that you maintain a thread exposing Chandler’s production weaknesses and then jump on here and try to redirect the heat at anyone BUT Chandler. “It’s Brown’s fault! It’s Jordan’s fault! It’s Felton’s fault! They sky is falling the sky is falling.” We’re 10% into the season and the biggest improvement for the Bobcats short-term comes from benching Chandler until he develops a working man’s ethic or dumping him entirely. Basketball is all about flow and Chandler is stifling ours on all levels. If you disagree, come up with a better, wiser solution. We can’t untrade. We don’t have a time machine or a magic do-over button. I see you burning a lot of energy blowing up other people’s suggestions. If you have better ideas then spend as much time presenting them as you do shutting down what anyone else has to say – and no time machines allowed.
by Ourdaywillcome on Nov 16, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
When Augustin and Felton are in the game together...
Augustin has to play with a markedly worse-shooting guard than any Felton ever has to play beside.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
When Augustin and Felton aer in the game together....
Felton usually runs the point and Augustin is the shooting guard.
I'm aware.
What’s your point? That has nothing at all to do with my above statement.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 18, 2009 4:01 AM EST up reply actions
Dear Felton,
You ARE NOT A GOOD SHOOTER. YOU ARE NOT THE GO-TO SCORER IN THE 4TH. YOUR SHOOTING PERCENTAGE KILLS MY FANTASY TEAM.
Thanks….
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
Ouch, he's on your fantasy team?
I’d scour the free agents for someone else asap. His shooting is also a terrible problem for the team. Actually the whole team’s fg % is a problem but his is especially bad. Why he kept shooting the ball in the fourth when he obviously didn’t have the hot hand all night, I don’t know.
by WhatAboutBob_cats on Nov 15, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
i know but he can score sometimes so ill bench him till i find someone better
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
Because he went to UNC and all the guys in the Columbia blue sweater vests love it.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 15, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Don't waste your, umm...breath
Four years of NBA coaching haven’t taught him not to jack up shots he never makes. I doubt your wishes will change anything.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 15, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
If you want to comment, procto, you should at least try watching the games.
As Ourdaywillcome has eloquently pointed out (and your 3rd grade reading comprehension skills have prohibited you from understanding), the majority of Raymond’s bricks are a direct result of others on the team being unable or unwilling to pull the trigger themselves.
Felton tries to distribute the ball, but it’s like everyone else is afraid to shoot the ball.
Aha...
So in your special game-watching ability, you can say that the Bobcats players except for Felton are “afraid to shoot the ball.” Even if that ridiculous assertion were true, don’t we have “one of the best coaches ever in any sport” who should be, you know, correcting that issue?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 17, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I have a partial answer to our shooting/ scoring issues.......one of the orginal bobcats and one of my favorites. His name?
Jason Kapono, seriously
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
for god's sake hes a 45% career 3pt shooter
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
He's certainly got his strengths as a player...
But the Bobcats are not the kind of team that needs a $6+ million bench shooter who averages 7-2 in a pretty good year.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 15, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Why in god's name would they do that?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 15, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
We can’t get better through trades because we have nothing anybody wants, not even expiring contracts.
Actually...
Why would WE even do that?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 15, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Salary cap. That’s a monstrous expiring contract. Maybe then the team would be sold and someone competent could take over. Speaking of which… What ever happened to that guy from Houston that was trying to buy the team?
The most recent news was late August
8/22:
There are a few reports leaking out that an Investment firm, headed by former Houston Rockets President George Postolus is close to a deal to purchase the Charlotte Bobcats from majority owner Bob Johnson. However Johnson may be getting cold feet on the deal. Since Johnson paid 300 million for the expansion NBA team in 2003, and Forbes currently has the value of the team listed as 284 million it stand to reason that Johnson is set to lose a significant amount of money on this deal.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Nov 16, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions

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